tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post1386641082173194597..comments2024-01-25T15:09:03.714-08:00Comments on Whiskey's Place: Prop 8 Hate: Our Glorious Multicultural Future and an X-Ray into PCWhiskeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-82483745681059584502009-06-11T00:40:53.921-07:002009-06-11T00:40:53.921-07:00"I am a bit torn on the gay marriage issue. I..."I am a bit torn on the gay marriage issue. I used to take the attitude based on personal liberty of let people do what they want."<br /><br />The problem here is that you've already accepted this warped framing of the issue. Gays have every right to live together, to be monogamous, to have a wedding. This is not an issue of personal liberty. Gays already have complete liberty in this regard.<br /><br />This is an issue of government intervention. Governments recognize and reward heterosexual marriage because it produces good children. Those good children, in turn, produce benefits to all of society. The government <i>incentivizes</i> heterosexual marriage, because it is desirable. Homosexual marriage produces none of these benefits. Its proponents are not asking for "equality" or "liberty" - they want the government to actively promote (incentivize) homosexuality.<br /><br />I find it amusing how many critical anonymous posters have shown up to insult the blog. Don't you realize you're just proving his point? You don't tolerate dissent. You don't want a discussion. You bring no facts, arguments, or sources. You just try to bully others into silence. That might work in a corporate boardroom, but it sure isn't helping you in the voting booth, is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-40481337580718469602009-02-19T20:11:00.000-08:002009-02-19T20:11:00.000-08:00Good point on the hysterical aspect, last anonymou...Good point on the hysterical aspect, last anonymous. This blogger writes in this oh-so-serious, long-winded, pseudo-academic style, and rarely uses statistics, except from hard-right sources, so be wary of anything he says. His constant appearances on the Roissy website (and the subsequent butt-kissing he gets from the Roissy readers) makes me believe that the Roissy website is not for aspiring PUAs, but for bitter, sexually-frustrated losers. Note how the comments devolve into politicized garbage and talks about race and culture, when they should really be about refining one's techniques.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-41693852784955726412009-01-11T13:12:00.000-08:002009-01-11T13:12:00.000-08:00I won't name-call you like some here did, but God,...I won't name-call you like some here did, but God, your blog sucks ass, and that post was just plain hysterical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-63945452797749156212008-12-27T11:01:00.000-08:002008-12-27T11:01:00.000-08:00Whiskey is probably a lonely, sexually unattractiv...Whiskey is probably a lonely, sexually unattractive dweeb who has few friends; the internet sycophants are the closest real relations he has had in the near past. He thinks like a Weimar-era right-winger (not a Nazi [I don't compare anybody to Nazis--right-wing activism in Germany long predated Nazism]; this Whiskey thinks like a Freikorps member).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-85317025416000468712008-12-21T16:06:00.000-08:002008-12-21T16:06:00.000-08:00The liberal hierarchy is:1. Jews2. Blacks3. Everyb...The liberal hierarchy is:<BR/>1. Jews<BR/>2. Blacks<BR/>3. Everybody else: Gays, Latinos, Women, Handicapped, etc.<BR/><BR/>Jews win because of the Holocaust.<BR/>Blacks are in 2nd place because of slavery. Everyone else does musical chairs for 3rd place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-65474271984214139332008-12-12T17:34:00.000-08:002008-12-12T17:34:00.000-08:00And another thing. Before you pity Whiskey and sin...And another thing. Before you pity Whiskey and sing praises to homosexuals, google "Bug Chasing" and ask yourself whom it is you should really feel sorry for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-27448060980354974742008-12-12T17:29:00.000-08:002008-12-12T17:29:00.000-08:00"People love to complain that gays are promiscuous..."People love to complain that gays are promiscuous, and at the same time wish to deprive them of the one tool that would help to encourage long term stable relationships -- namely same-sex marriage."<BR/><BR/>False. There is no reason whatsoever why homosexuals shouldn't be able to confine themselves to one partner, even in the absence of legal recognition. Compare the behavior of slaves in the US, who often established their own (illegal) monogamous relationships, with that of homosexuals today. Despite being subject to much less oppression than slaves, many gays have hundreds or even thousands of sexual partners during their lifetimes. This suggests that personal morality, and not legal recognition, is the real issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-74550147065974817722008-12-10T12:31:00.000-08:002008-12-10T12:31:00.000-08:00People love to complain that gays are promiscuous,...People love to complain that gays are promiscuous, and at the same time wish to deprive them of the one tool that would help to encourage long term stable relationships -- namely same-sex marriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-40860771540980206622008-12-05T13:05:00.000-08:002008-12-05T13:05:00.000-08:00Poor Whiskey.Sounds like you've got a chip on your...Poor Whiskey.<BR/><BR/>Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Focus on improving your own life - you might feel a little less insipide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-16611039055982432722008-11-25T14:29:00.000-08:002008-11-25T14:29:00.000-08:00The whole bruhaha around Prop 8 in particular and ...The whole bruhaha around Prop 8 in particular and Gay Marriage in general to me, in a broader sense, is just a sign as to how decadent American (and by extension, Western) society has become. I'm no US citizen, I'm German - so if I get something wrong, blame it on me being unfamiliar with the subject matter.<BR/><BR/>The US and its de-industrialized NATO-partners are facing the most severe economic crisis since the Great Depression. <BR/>Western power all over the globe is in steep decline, a fact driven by superior statesmanship of our global competitors, Russia and China, and ruthless exploitation of our weaknesses by minor powers like Iran, Sudan or Pakistan.<BR/>Globally, we are pigheaded children living in lala-land, faced with very mature, ruthless opponents who rightly consider us weak, distracted, and largely inconsequential to their designs.<BR/><BR/>We are under pressure from every possible angle, be it militarily, economically, industrially, and even within our own borders, demographically. And the longer I observe this state, the more I realize how large a percentage of our respective populations has reverted to some adolescent state of mind politically.<BR/><BR/>Look at the real world you live in, not at the political weblogs we visit. Read what people think in the discussion forums you email providers provide. The ordinary Joe Schmoe doesn't go any further if he articulates himself on politics on the web at all. This is what the average guys and gals think - and it's largely frustrating to read and appalling to comprehend. No matter the topic, even people who otherwise might be quite intelligent resort to the simpleton approach to politics that reeks of indiscriminate morality - and the inability to detach the morals from the facts.<BR/><BR/>Like this, Prop 8 becomes a moral issue, a rights issue, where you are a "hater" if you are against gay marriage (as Newt Gingrich's sister just called him in an open letter today) - and not a simple matter of demographics and the nation's wish to keep it's population at a replacement level fertility rate by (theoretically) enabling a stable environment for child bearing.<BR/><BR/>Prop 8 and gay marriage are, despite their larger social impact, small issues. But for quite a large number of (liberal?) American voters, "Gay Marriage" has become the sole defining factor to cast their vote. <BR/><BR/>That, I think, is decadence. That is irresponsibility. American global power is crumbling, as is American economic power. Powers are on the move globally that eagerly would swarm like vultures over the diseased carcass of the Western world - and America is riled up about the question wether a couple of butt pirates get to wed...?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-1507969599199222822008-11-25T11:42:00.000-08:002008-11-25T11:42:00.000-08:00The quotes on Ovitz are particularly funny, its ju...The quotes on Ovitz are particularly funny, its just interesting that you left out the part that he was an ineffective executive and all of his years of taking credit for other people's work finally caught up when he arrived at Disney. <BR/><BR/>Now there is a velvet mafia,just as there's a jewish mafia and hell an Italian mafia (b/c let's face it Hollywood needs teamsters too to move their crap) but I think you'll notice how many out leading actors there are headlining films-- oh wait there aren't any.<BR/><BR/>Identifying the gay population as only 5% is inaccurate, if you look at census its actually 10% of the population identify as gay/homosexual. And if we were to count the DL segment of the self loathing hispanics, blacks, and asians --we have to imagine that number would be quite a bit higher.<BR/><BR/>Good thing you blog and don't fact check. Best of luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-90739504707797307232008-11-19T10:02:00.000-08:002008-11-19T10:02:00.000-08:00Guys agree with what women say to get laid? Maybe...Guys agree with what women say to get laid? Maybe. But as you said, it won't get them laid. So I don't understand it. Personally, I don't advertise my views but I don't lie if I'm asked either. But to get laid, sure I'll lie if I won't see her again. And then I will vote my interests as a young man. Which are the complete opposite of those of a feminist. And this is what every guy should do - lying if necessary.<BR/><BR/>Actually I have no idea if gays care about illegal aliens. But I wonder how the Latino population will affect the support for gay marriage in the South and Southwest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-2994019195529921132008-11-19T01:14:00.000-08:002008-11-19T01:14:00.000-08:00Jack, you are right about the Herpes rates being d...Jack, you are right about the Herpes rates being distorted by the number of Black and Hispanic women in NYC, their rates are significantly higher, tragically. <BR/><BR/>Young men generally agree with anything young women say, thinking it will help them romantically and otherwise. It will not, of course.<BR/><BR/>I probably wasn't clear -- Blacks in California lack any significant demographic numbers, thus no fear of yelling out the N-word by White gays. However as you point out they are higher on the PC Hierarchy due to, IMHO fairly racist, PC imaginings of Black "primitiveness" that gives them magical authenticity. Which would have surprised the hell out of urbane, well educated men like Ellington, Davis, Monk or Bechet. Many of whom were well versed with European classical music/composers.<BR/><BR/>It was the lack of fear that caused the initial words to be yelled out, something that could never have happened in largely Latino LA against Hispanics due to fear of immediate physical confrontation and PC consequences.<BR/><BR/>I don't think Gays will ever re-think their support of Illegal Immigration, it's part of PC dogma aimed at the "Straight White Guys" who have to be "replaced" as the source of all evil. Or what they really mean, lower class Whites who form a threat up the mobility ladder to the rent-seekers of the elite classes, who occupy non-productive roles and seek to maximize their ability to occupy "important" positions and make money.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-53827030488106894872008-11-19T01:02:00.000-08:002008-11-19T01:02:00.000-08:00Both Anons -- I have checked it out, there are no ...Both Anons -- I have checked it out, there are no numbers there at the site posted, merely a site aimed at foreigners wanting to get gay married in Toronto. See <A HREF="http://corner.nationalreview.com/ajax.p?md5=9e896adbabba76b41c3e53959ec37464" REL="nofollow">Mark Steyn</A> at NRO, Note the attitude towards polygamy <A HREF="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/06/04/john-turley-ewart-polygamy-continues-to-get-a-free-pass-by-ontario-s-liberal-government.aspx" REL="nofollow">in Ontario Canada</A> <BR/><BR/>I'll note you cannot refute the numbers in the original post. If you have numbers that challenge my source (or those of Kurtz in the links) I challenge you to post them.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, gays are not as a group very monogamous. Gays have far more sex partners than heterosexual couples do, and generally do not maintain monogamous relationships. There may be a few monogamous gay couples. Yao Ming and Vern Troyer are Chinese and American men, respectively. Neither gives a good picture of the average height of Chinese and American men or the nature of Gay monogamy (which is about as rare as Ming and Troyer's sizes in China and America).<BR/><BR/>Gays wish to destroy the "hetero-normative" at they call it, nuclear family so that society can be redefined according to Gay Norms. This is an expression of power caused by the over-representation of Gays among the "Stuff White People Like" yuppies, and the power they exert in that demographic segment which wields disproportionate power. The Kurtz links contain rather lengthy discussions and quotes by gay activists themselves as to why they wish to destroy the nuclear family. <BR/><BR/>This is Whiskey's Place. PC place is somewhere else.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-58370219604924989082008-11-18T20:10:00.000-08:002008-11-18T20:10:00.000-08:00Couple things - while I have no doubt NYC women ar...Couple things - while I have no doubt NYC women are sluttier than others, the herpes facts are altered by very high rates for black women, while we are mainly thinking of white women when we describe young, urban sluts.<BR/><BR/>I live in NYC, and I am surrounded by extremely liberal single women. They are the major problem in our society today. Gays could not do anything without the help of these women. They all support gay marriage and some even protested it. You gave some good insight why. They are the enemy of our country's best interests. And especially the enemy of young straight men, who unfortunately are in the dark and generally supported Obama as well - a man who outwardly doesn't support gay marriage, but will appoint judges who will implement it.<BR/><BR/>Could gays rethink their support of illegal alien amnesty? Interesting question with their general opposition to gay marriage (Mexicans). I don't understand why you think Mexicans are higher than blacks on the liberal white hierarchy. I always thought blacks were highest - look at Obama.<BR/><BR/>What happened to 20 years ago when faggots got their asses kicked?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-54244725552154693372008-11-18T11:24:00.000-08:002008-11-18T11:24:00.000-08:00What motivation is there to destroy the family? W...What motivation is there to destroy the family? What would the gay community gain?<BR/><BR/>I know a number of homosexual couples who have been exclusive for decades and all they want is to be able to visit each other in the hospital and get on each others insurance. That's all they want.<BR/><BR/>You are full of hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-76670922748097261362008-11-18T11:22:00.000-08:002008-11-18T11:22:00.000-08:00He doesn't have any citations. He's just a crazy ...He doesn't have any citations. He's just a crazy person making shit up.<BR/><BR/>check this out:<BR/>http://www.torontogayweddings.com/<BR/><BR/>tehre are plenty of gay weddings in Toronto, so I'm pretty sure all his other claims are imaginary as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-70673623607272854602008-11-17T11:30:00.000-08:002008-11-17T11:30:00.000-08:00Excellent and thorough post, whiskey. On your poi...Excellent and thorough post, <I>whiskey</I>. On your point re: straight men seeking "access" to only one woman I believe the point is best proved by considering mens' typical reactions to seeking approval for "their" woman to have "access" to other men. The "what happens when the shoe is on the other foot" test would best establish the rule, I would think.<BR/><BR/>And I totally agree the goal is NOT for gays to become married, but for the normal family unit to disappear. Destruct, Destruct, Destruct. Nothing nice about some of these folk.49erDweethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08376084827120286674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-46107818247077456672008-11-16T17:07:00.000-08:002008-11-16T17:07:00.000-08:00A few years ago I read an account similar to that ...A few years ago I read an account similar to that of someguy in Daphne Patai's critique of all of this, "Heterophobia". She told of a female professor at a very PC university who constantly referred to her "partner", leading everyone to believe that she was in some kind of long-time homosexual relationship. <BR/><BR/>Turned out she was married to the same man for 25 years and had three quite normal kids. <BR/><BR/>And that's what it's come to today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-25390229257433677802008-11-15T21:21:00.000-08:002008-11-15T21:21:00.000-08:00Same sex marriage is a "gay issue" but not necessa...Same sex marriage is a "gay issue" but not necessarily a homosexual issue. Classical Greece honored, or even revered, homosexual love above that between men and women, yet it had absolutely no inclination to establish same sex marrage. Indeed Plato discussed this issue at some length, making the observation that marriage was a sacred bond that was intended to preserve the culture. It can hardly be said of the Greeks that they eschewed same sex marriage out of some prejudice against homosexuals. So what was their reasoning?<BR/><BR/>Marriage is about child raising... and passing on values and capacities to new "human starts" (as R.B. Fuller called them). The notion of same-sex marriage would have simply seemed silly to the Greeks. What would be the point?<BR/><BR/>I'd also note that not only is interest in monogamy rather limited in the "gay" community (which isn't synonymous with homosexuality, by the way) but there are a fair number of homosexuals who would vote against the practice if their jobs and livelihoods weren't threatened by the "gay mafia." It's in the interests of all Americans to preserve this unique Lockean culture, which provides homosexuals and other minorities their fundamental "individual rights." The dissolution of marriage and the family threatens that, so why in the world would a self-considerate homosexual favor same sex marriage?<BR/><BR/>I have a homosexual friend (well three, actually) who vacated San Francisco because they simply couldn't tolerate the perverse and self destructive culture there any longer, and their attitude about Same Sex Marriage is: "What in the world is the point?"<BR/><BR/>If you don't believe there are such people, <A HREF="http://bornagainredneck.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">check it out</A>.demosophisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00677722726429563710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-4586166520372632972008-11-15T19:08:00.000-08:002008-11-15T19:08:00.000-08:00While Mormons are an easy target because they are ...While Mormons are an easy target because they are white, blacks and Hispanics also voted for Prop 8 in large numbers. I love the delicious irony that different Obama voting segments are not unified on cultural issues such as this.<BR/><BR/>As good as things look for Democrats right now, the tent is just too big. It's unnatural for such a wide spectrum of social and economic groups all to be on the same page politically. Prop 8 is a sign that different segments of the Democrat party will start fragmenting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-78434416250835649162008-11-15T17:15:00.000-08:002008-11-15T17:15:00.000-08:00Peterw -- the Kurtz links have the details, I did ...Peterw -- the Kurtz links have the details, I did not include them because they were quite lengthy. Kurtz has done a series of articles on this subject on National Review, I would encourage you to read all the Kurtz links.<BR/><BR/>Someguy -- I am sure most men would *like* access to most women, but the reality is that only a few, high-status, powerful men can achieve that state. Given that few men look like George Clooney and have his wealth, most will take the traditional route of monogamous marriage. That for most men in most cases "works."Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-30648039571684422362008-11-15T12:01:00.000-08:002008-11-15T12:01:00.000-08:00Great article; the bit about percentages of gays w...Great article; the bit about percentages of gays who actually get married is particularly eye-opening. However, I wish you'd do more than give single quotes for your less quantifiable claims, such as the mainstream gay lobby being against traditional marriage.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03722675885882665188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-60109114135244981112008-11-15T06:38:00.000-08:002008-11-15T06:38:00.000-08:00I am a bit torn on the gay marriage issue. I used ...I am a bit torn on the gay marriage issue. I used to take the attitude based on personal liberty of let people do what they want. But, more and more I see this is overly simplisitc. I work in a very PC setting and when I met a co-worker for the first time she talked about her partner. I assumed therefore that she was a lesbian. But no, her partner is a guy. I could see that with this mind set within a few years I would be getting in trouble for calling my wife my wife instead of my partner. <BR/><BR/>Another example is talking to a gay friend about desires to stray from my wife. He was baffled about how this could be a problem and advised me to have a good time as he and his "partner" had different sex drives and he had to stray. I didn't take his advise. Oh course he has a MS in marriage counseling. This is consistent with your belief that the gay community really doesn't want marriage as it is commonly thought of. And if you spend some time with gays you will sense some hostility as their comments about breaders are not always meant to be funny. <BR/><BR/>I am not sure however where you get the idea that most men are driven by the desire to have exclusive access to one woman. Any citations?someguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03924040161935921109noreply@blogger.com