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I share with you the one legit critiq...D. Bandler-<br /><br />I share with you the one legit critique of Whiskey's otherwise brilliant insight and analysis. The host seems to have a willful desire to acknowledge the role of the Gramscian termite in our current trouble, and a need to purposefully minimize the influence of delayed fuse meme bombs from the Frankfurt school era right through the KGB and Comintern efforts through the 1990's.<br /><br />All of the things he says about the corrosion of women are true. College "educated" white women have great power and have used it to set up a country which absolves them from even the possibility of any negative consequences for a sexually promiscuous life - welfare, affirmative action, easy abortion, easy no-fault (read: man's fault) divorce.<br /><br />But in the absence of a fertile philosophical environment, they go nowhere, for the most part. Readily available birth control and voting rights existed for at least two generations before the wheels came off the wagon. Why didn't those women in those generations act this way back then? Answer: strong Judeo-Christian values were universal and adherence to same were expected (ESPECIALLY amongst women), community and family mattered more than self, and outcome egalitarian, Marxist economic societal models were universally recognized as evil and impractical. It was only when those women went to college and were indoctrinated by Gramscians that the change really happened. <br /><br />Yes, the rise of consumerism was largely pushed by women. People of both sexes in the 1920's did not think that home ownership or college education are rights, as women (and the men in servitude to them) do now. But even that has been the result to one extent or another of marketing by a media populated almost exclusively by leftists who have redefined journalism from "reporting the news to" using the bully pulipt of the press to effect social change.<br /><br />But what those like Whiskey - people who feel that the long march through the institutions has had little effect on things - fail to realize is that in an age of highly realistic mass visual media, a very few people controlling the imagery can have astonishing impact far beyond their numbers. Most of the human race has not evolved effective thought patterns to filter out the BS, yet, and the left has understood this at least since Kennedy's campaign in 1960.<br /><br />Exhibit A is the "Rural Purge", where a group of leftist, anti-Christian TV execs terminated an entire lineup of highly profitable shows on a network and replaced them with less profitable ones, basically for ideological reasons. Exhibit B is an actress who looks like Sarah Palin saying that she can see Russia from her house and millions of people assuming that Palin herself said it. The list of exhibits, truth be told, is huge.<br /><br />Ironically, Whiskey hits the truth of this without realizing it, or incorporating it into his unified theory. He correctly points out the role of technology in making the changes to our society and in proving his theories. Well and good - that's spot on. But it is also technology that makes the Gramscian thing so powerful. The man (or woman) in the bully pulpit of the professor's lectern, or the newscaster's chair, has power far, far beyond and in excess of all but the most powerful marketing strategies. <br /><br />And what if, as you point out, the people in charge of those marketing strategies on Madison Avenue got their marching orders from the lectern or newschair in the first place?<br /><br />This needs to be considered, always.no mo uronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-89403090266277612402012-01-28T21:20:29.722-08:002012-01-28T21:20:29.722-08:00You use the word sexy too much and it makes your w...You use the word sexy too much and it makes your writing irritating and long-winded. Consider being more concise and knowing when to end the goddamn post. Jesus Christ that was painful to read through. Your writing is very, very boring and long-winded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-87546745932191872012012-01-28T20:43:09.652-08:002012-01-28T20:43:09.652-08:00I remember reading a blog comment awhile back that...I remember reading a blog comment awhile back that made the case that the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" was actually an extended metaphor for the Frankfurt School, and how it sought to break down sexual morality and promote hedonism. (The main character's name was "Dr. Frank-N-Furter".)<br /><br />It sounds bizarre, but it was a long and detailed analysis and made a lot of sense. I wish I had a link.ricklnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-85563148399420871182012-01-25T21:34:28.021-08:002012-01-25T21:34:28.021-08:00Madison Avenue trumps the Frankfurt School. Who ma...<i>Madison Avenue trumps the Frankfurt School. Who matters more, the guy putting the message in front of you day after day, or the Professor who rants in front of you once a week for a Semester?</i><br /><br />Wrong. Madison Avenue is shaped by the Frankfurt school and the legions of university professors it has influenced. A nation and a culture is a mirror of its universities and its leading intellectuals. The Hollywood scripts you rightly condemn as well as the television commercials are *ALL* the product of the ideas coming out of the universities. Multiculturalism, feminism, environmentalism, social democracy, social justice, deconstructionism (literary), living-Constitution, welfare-statism, egalitarianism, white privilege-ism, nation-building (Just-War theory), moral relativism, skepticism, etc, etc, ad nauseum. These are all the dominant theories emanating from the Humanities departments. That is why Hollywood, Madison Avenue and the culture is what it is.<br /><br />Those who control the universities control the culture. The Left controls academia. The rest is academic. No pun really intended.<br /><br />D. BandlerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-79053866047508210532012-01-25T11:59:15.906-08:002012-01-25T11:59:15.906-08:00"Back in the 80's it was rudely discovere..."Back in the 80's it was rudely discovered that VLCCs have THICKER steel than Iowa Class BBs. (!)<br /><br />So it came to be that our BBs would hide behind VLCCs -- using them as mine sweepers -- even as we were 'escorting' them.<br /><br />You may go back and take a peak at the old DoD photos released back then."<br /><br />No. 1). Oil tankers have, since 1978, been required to have double hulls. This makes them effective minesweepers since a mine detonation would not cause sinking/oil spills.<br /><br />2). The US did not use BB's to escort tankers during Operation Earnest Will (1987). <br /><br />3). DDG's, FFG's, and CG's have always had tin hulls as the premium is placed on speed. <br /><br />4). Iowa-class battleships have hulls 1.5" thick, and are fortified by an anti-torpedo "belt" 12" thick; under-deck plates 7" thick, and turret armor 19" thick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-28382918926164942212012-01-25T05:24:54.213-08:002012-01-25T05:24:54.213-08:00A lot of men are wising up to the fact that marryi...A lot of men are wising up to the fact that marrying women in their 30s is a bad move. Let's say your a greater beta. You are a professional but not rich. Maybe you make low six figures. And your in ok shape but not a model. Why get married to a girl in her 30s?<br /><br />In truth I date a lot of girls in their 30s. They are usually easier to talk to, they are a bit more grown up. But they put out after three dates and most of them don't seem to be good candidates for marraige and motherhood (though many have a biological alarm going off). If I can get sex and companionship off and on without marraige, I'll do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-75964905216443496932012-01-24T22:50:28.362-08:002012-01-24T22:50:28.362-08:00If you look at say, Japan, and their Edo Era, tech...If you look at say, Japan, and their Edo Era, technology (firearms) was banned because it made both Shoguns and Samurai obsolete. That did not end well.<br /><br />What I am saying is that TECHNOLOGY (the Pill, Condom, Television, private cars) changed society (easy, consequence free sex, anonymous urban living, improved female income) that led to VAST social changes in an enormous scale.<br /><br />WHY did the ENTIRE Western World embrace some form of socialism? Basically to mitigate risk. Much of the Western World HAD something, which made it more conservative, and wanting to preserve it rather than roll the dice and come up a winner (which is attractive when you're starving or near it).<br /><br />The Twentieth Century brought enormous, destructive change upon people's lives, and they wanted to mitigate the risk, particularly women who HAD SOMETHING too, sexual freedom, and did not wish to lose it. Men chose this also because once you are middle class there is little incentive to move up and great fear of moving down.<br /><br />Socialism is a hedge against disaster, the government as ultimate backstop. Bismarck learned that, as did FDR, Mussolini, and Hitler.<br /><br />The Super Zips simply became removed from the interest of the people in a way in which, say John J. Rockefeller of Standard Oil or Ike never was, because technology enabled women for the first time (or I should say, a subset, White Professional Women) to play an outsized role in shaping consumerist culture, and thus most of the culture.<br /><br />Madison Avenue trumps the Frankfurt School. Who matters more, the guy putting the message in front of you day after day, or the Professor who rants in front of you once a week for a Semester?<br /><br />The Western World is in a mess, all around, because technology drove deep social changes that led the elites to be hostile to most of its people, with Professional White Women (who existed at no other time and place in Human History) as their narrow base.<br /><br />If you wish to end this, simply end consumerism. It will all come crashing down, as the Empire of Advertising depends on consumption.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-76038552893030083002012-01-24T22:39:56.824-08:002012-01-24T22:39:56.824-08:00Last Anon -- the $10 million is to marry and STAY ...Last Anon -- the $10 million is to marry and STAY MARRIED. Divorce rates are few in the upper incomes of NYC, as noted by both the Nanny Diaries and the experience of a Park Slope woman who DID get divorced ... pursuing a more sexy Alpha ... and got ostracized. <br /><br />When SERIOUS money formation is involved, people husband it. They respond to incentives.<br /><br />Yes Auster is not perhaps a fan, but most people are not influenced by either ideas or philosophy. Do you honestly think that say, the tens of millions of Obama voters had much thought of Gramscian Long Marches?<br /><br />My argument at least rests on TECHNOLOGY altering how Western Society conducts itself. It does not rely on either conspiracies of the Jewish, or Marxist Frankfurt School, or anything like that, and is entirely consistent with how technology has altered the West BEFORE: 1. The Moldboard Plow; 2. The Printing Press; 3. Gunpowder; 4. the Steam Engine; 5. The Internal Combustion Engine.<br /><br />Just to take one example, Gunpowder, it destroyed the traditional Knight-nobility based dominance in European Warfare and caused the mass army, with MASSIVE increase in scale, in very short order. James Burke in the Connections series shows how army sizes (a few thousand for Henry V, 100 thousand for Wallenberg) increased by an order of TEN in just a few hundred years. <br /><br />I think it would be folly to look at anything BUT technology first and foremost for its effect on human society.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-89918154414798066212012-01-24T21:49:27.142-08:002012-01-24T21:49:27.142-08:00Whiskey,
One important question. Is it really you...Whiskey,<br /><br />One important question. Is it really your argument that ideas - ideas regarding political philosophy, economics and most importantly ethics and morality - are not what are responsible for the growth of the American welfare state, the American regulatory state, and the American central bank and its inflated paper money? Is your argument that what is the *FUNDAMENTAL* cause of America's woes is female hypergamy? <br /><br />So, in your view the centuries long developments on the various epistemologies that dominate the modern West and the egalitarian political philosophies that are the result of secularizing Christian ethics; all this means nothing. Society is just thrown around by females seeking bad boys? <br /><br />Do you see how warped and reductionistic that is? Can you see that? No fan of Larry Auster am I, but he mocks you for this type of reductionistic blather. <br /><br />Yes, women are behaving terribly. And yes, women are hypergamous in that their biology puts them in the position to respond to men with high value attributes; that latter part is scaled to cultural norms for better or worse, civilized or barbaric (ie inner city blacks). But none of that explains why the welfare state was accepted by every country in the West. Why the regulatory model was accepted everywhere. Why central banking was accepted everywhere. Or why the original 18th and 19th century market liberalism was rejected and scoffed at in every Euro-American country. <br /><br />To answer all those questions, you need philosophy first and foremost. Then you need intellectual history and then you need economic science and its history. Without those, all you can do is try to give your great answers to the deepest questions of the universe based on female hypergamous instincts. <br /><br />Really Whiskey. I like you. You've definitely left the reservation in your own way and there is value to your ravings. But they are ravings and they are limited. <br /><br />"There are more things that are dreamt of in heaven and hell then exist in your philosophy." <br /><br />So true. <br /><br />D.Bandler<br />Sympathetic to HBD but critical<br /><br />PS Needing 10 million per year salary to get a pretty white women for marriage. I'm sure there are white women that believe they could get that price. But they are few and far between. The question to be asked is at what age do most white women marry and to whom. My guess is that women marry in the range of 32 - 38 and they marry Betas or Greater Betas; the kinds of guys they wouldn't look at 10 years earlier. I'd also wager that they are not living in 10 million dollar mansions in the Hamptons or Miama Beech. My guess is that most women realize that the alpha bad boy obsession really only has a shelf life for them from 16 to 32; high 30s if they are of rare beauty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-62734938948507104232012-01-24T18:20:42.081-08:002012-01-24T18:20:42.081-08:00"The solution is simply on the behavioral fro..."The solution is simply on the behavioral front, "don't be slutty. Don't be Snooki." Delivered by almost exclusively women, with a few sexy Alpha guys. That's it. A simple message. But one powerful given women's group behavior. [Which is both a weakness, and strength, forming the backbone of the Temperance and Prohibition and Civil Rights and Feminist and Environmental movements."<br /><br />This is easier said than done. Even in the Mormon community - which is extremely culturally conservative.<br /><br />A few years ago the head of the Relief Society (the women's organization in the LDS Church) made a comment alluding to simple house chores like ironing clothing equating to being a good mother and the women in the Church were up in arms about it. <br /><br />I don't know if it's possible to have even a few influential women try to convey that message without being slaughtered by the sisterhood. It seems the momentum is too great to turn back.Mormon Manhttp://www.mormonmen.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-86221204768893994392012-01-24T13:03:33.526-08:002012-01-24T13:03:33.526-08:00“What Murray misses is the sexual component. Late ...“What Murray misses is the sexual component. Late marriage by a woman in her mid-thirties with many, many sexual partners (between 30 and fifty is not out of the question), kids by another man or men, often ending in divorce, is not the same as the passionate devotion of a sixteen year old beauty, a virgin or near virgin, who only has eyes for you. And will happily bear you a child. Newsflash, young women are more beautiful than the older ones.”<br /><br />not a problem<br /><br />we’ll just deny and criminalize male biology; hopefully in a couple years we’ll have laws establishing age-of-consent to be whatever age any WPW happens to be at any time – who cares, after all, the only lives destroyed are those of non-elite males, who deserve it after millions of years oppressing women<br /><br />your analysis of the Problem is v good, but the Solutions not so much – you cant really believe that the THOUSANDS of female-power orgainizations (in the u.s. alone!) are suddenly going to convert to criticize-females organizations? never happen – women ONLY organize for their personal and collective benefit, tho they use “common-good” propaganda to cloak their selfish motives<br /><br />“To destroy the Super Zips, it is necessary to destroy its ecosystem, the female driven consumerism. And all that is needed to do that is frugalism replacing consumerism. Buying only when needed, and on value and price, not status.”<br /><br />status-seeking by females, materially and otherwise, is the true engine of the modern west, and the tie that binds the modern merchant-elite and the collective feminine together in a doomed axis of power and privilege<br /><br />this alliance will never be ended voluntarily, and only the most traumatic disaster (i.e., one that affects women and elites, not merely unempowered males) would even budge this alliance, much less dissolve it<br /><br />a thoughtful overall analysis tho, youll make an excellent admin when the war's overlittle dynamohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11380746207592226835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-90652283887979721132012-01-24T13:03:07.149-08:002012-01-24T13:03:07.149-08:00Murray fails for the same reason the WSJ and the r...Murray fails for the same reason the WSJ and the rest of Medea fail: they cant call a spade a spade, fearing PC-retribution from the National Organization of Shovels and their enabler government<br /><br />“Angelo Codevilla argues in the American Spectator that the ruling class, Republican and Democrat, all go to the same national schools, share the same interests, intermarry, and form the same social class”<br /><br />that’s always been the true purpose of the Ivy League, private female colleges, and their associated fast-track-to-power prep schools – to form an interconnected, insulated club that concentrates power and wealth in closed networks . . . surprisingly, it only takes a few hundred folks in the right government, media, educational, intelligence and military positions to dominate the west<br /><br /> theyve craftily used feminism and affirmative action/multi-culti to divide and conquer, destroying the middle class, fatherhood, and masculinity (minor side-issues to them, until SHTF)<br /><br /><br />“There is a word for people who hold such views. The natural basis for the Super Zips. The Ruling Class. The New Elites. We call them ... women. Specifically, White professional women.”<br /><br />bingo<br /><br />this is the demographic that made, and makes, the satanic bargain, and keeps the Emasculated Elite in riches and power<br /><br />who announced the america was “A Woman’s Nation”?<br /><br />super-elite skankess Maria Shriver<br /><br />whose money and connections organized and funded the 1848 Seneca Falls Conference?<br /><br />the american old-money Coffin clan (with help from other old-money families)<br /><br />who funded/funds the endless u.s. fem-organizations?<br /><br />Rockefellers et al<br /><br />on and on it goes, but anybody who points it out is a nutcase conspiracy “theorist”<br /><br />“pushing the interests of White Professional women to the exclusion of everyone else outside the female-Elite coalition. That is what all that wealth, power, and stability cost — long term instability by a Ruling Class driven entirely by feedback loops of making Upper and Near-Upper Class White women happy ”<br /><br />exactly – WPW hold the wealth, spend the money, and control the votes that justify and validate the Sistem; making WPW happy (empowered and enriched) is the ONLY thing that now matters<br /><br />toss in the Rainbow Factor (gays and “minorities) with the elite/WPW demographic, and you have an economic and cultural bloc that cannot be addressed (much less actually reformed) by ANY political or legal means<br /><br />of course, Murray and the WSJ, being beneficiaries/lackeys of that bloc, arent about to point this outlittle dynamohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11380746207592226835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-68787967736755964602012-01-24T12:41:51.566-08:002012-01-24T12:41:51.566-08:00Great piece whiskey. Your take on the world is som...Great piece whiskey. Your take on the world is some of my favorite stuff to read.Conquistadornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-56352918117209575272012-01-24T04:01:06.803-08:002012-01-24T04:01:06.803-08:00"There was a Pentagon War Game involving Iran..."There was a Pentagon War Game involving Iranian Forces vs. US forces in the Gulf."<br /><br />You are now a certified hack by citing Millenium Challenge. Let's take the extreme worst-case scenario out of tens of thousands of such games and label it a certainty. I doubt you know how wargames are conducted.<br /><br />Also, why are you even responding to that idiot first commenter? Look at his linkDr. Grzlicksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-70488523522803482082012-01-24T03:38:06.156-08:002012-01-24T03:38:06.156-08:00Good Lord. Your first statement (re: Iran sinking ...Good Lord. Your first statement (re: Iran sinking Aircraft Carriers) was so ridiculous I didn't even notice the rest of that paragraph. You are now tinfoil hat material.<br /><br />"What would Obama do? I think he wants US defeat, so he can discredit the military, turn it into another Union (he has plans to unionized the Military and turn into SEIU with artillery and tanks). Obama WANTS $200-$300 a barrel oil. He HATES this country, and figures he will cruise to victory against Newt even with the economy in total, absolute depression. Worse than the 1930's.Dr. Grzlicksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-29357859116868794672012-01-24T01:28:58.745-08:002012-01-24T01:28:58.745-08:00Whiskey's view is simple:
Iran is a perceived...Whiskey's view is simple:<br /><br />Iran is a perceived threat to the Jews of Israel therefore they are America's Number 1 defense issue.<br /><br />White women are a social/political threat to White "beta males" therefore the America's Number 1 domestic issue.<br /><br />It's alwyas the same.No Shownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-19244910929830911012012-01-24T00:58:06.996-08:002012-01-24T00:58:06.996-08:00"As for Iranian success, yes short term Iran ..."As for Iranian success, yes short term Iran CAN close the Gulf, and sink several US Carriers."<br /><br />That's news to me and the rest of the US defense industry. They can perhaps close the straits for a matter of days (hours more likely), and they have a snowball's chance in hell of hitting one carrier, let alone sinking several. Please stop with your naval analysis now.Dr. Grzlicksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3893665144141962944.post-59119816298736169182012-01-23T20:50:41.871-08:002012-01-23T20:50:41.871-08:00Anon my guess is that Iran will bet that enough fo...Anon my guess is that Iran will bet that enough food can be trucked in from China in exchange for oil to make it avoid total starvation. The people in the cities abhor the regime anyway, so them starving is a plus. Considering they sent something like 100,000 boys under the age of 11 as human minesweepers during the Iran-Iraq war to certain death, yeah they think this way. They were called the Basij, and wore plastic "keys to heaven" around their necks.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.com