Monday, August 17, 2009

Lady Gaga Wants You To Turn Gay: The Cold Civil War and the New Girl Order

Recently, Pop star "Lady Gaga" gave an interview to Out Magazine, a gay publication, where she said:

I very much want to inject gay culture into the mainstream. It's not an underground tool for me. It's my whole life. So I always sort of joke the real motivation is to just turn the world gay.


This is not unusual. American Idol Judge Posh Spice has said she has a "gay man inside her waiting to come out" and that she has nothing in common with straight men, excluding her husband, father, and brothers. Various studies show that younger White women, who are not religious and are college-educated, have more positive attitudes towards homosexuality, gays, and gay behavior than male peers, even controlling for educational levels (i.e. compared to college-educated men). African-American women however generally hold more negative views of gays than their White female peers, even controlling for educational levels.

The cultural war between young, single women, who are politically more liberal and hold social views different from that of young single men, drives much of the debate in the culture over Gay Marriage and a host of other cultural issues. Increasingly, it seems that instead of total victory by young single women to "turn the world gay" per Lady Gaga, the global culture (not just the US) is entering a "Cold Civil War" with a stand-off likely to last for some time.


Much of the increasing acceptance and endorsement of gay culture (consider this the "Berlin of the Cold Civil War") is being driven, essentially, by the purchasing power of young women and their spending habits. If this spending on the New Girl Order as coined by Kay Hymnowitz declines significantly, so too will the push for re-norming society along the Gay Standards that Lady Gaga and Posh Spice advocate.

By way of comparison, Hoover's Online estimates that the combined US sales of $48 billion (2002 figures). The US Cosmetics revenues total $7 billion. The US Apparel Industry revenues (including shoes) totals $182 billion. Combined, Cosmetics and Apparel total $189 billion in the US, versus $48 billion for Arms/Weaponry. By way of comparison, the US Auto Industry (including imports) amounted to $213 billion in 2008.

These are substantial sums of money. A quick and dirty analysis can be performed at any Supermarket. Simply pace off the linear feet devoted to women's grooming products, including body lotion, shampoos, conditioners, and the like, and those devoted to male grooming, including shaving cream, razors, deodorant, and after shave. There will be generally be an approximately 7 to 1 ratio of shelf space devoted to female-male grooming products.

However, the discretionary spending of the New Girl Order is highly discretionary. As Hymnowitz points out, the entire Order depends on the following factors:


  1. Delayed Marriage making consumerism possible throughout the 20's and much of a woman's thirties.

  2. Rising female education and earnings levels (women make up the majority of College students in the US, UK, France, Germany, Norway, and Australia) allow more discretionary consumer spending.

  3. Urbanism and the ability of women to live on their own or with room-mates makes consumer spending possible (instead of the old order of family kitty contributions.

  4. Employment for women has been concentrated on industries like media, fashion, design, marketing, and advertising, along with education, health-care, and social work



All of these factors in turn depend on a global party where the good times roll. A party that is coming to an end. While it's likely that women will continue to delay marriage, and indeed as Hynmowitz notes, fulfill demographer's prediction that 30 percent of women with college degrees will remain child-less (and thus with spare cash to spend on consumer goods), the global party that spurred global consumer spending is coming to an end. Declines in oil exploration and cheap, easily extracted oil guarantee in the long-term, more expensive energy, as has the inability of the US to develop nuclear or clean coal technology to produce significant amounts of electricity. Shocks such as unrest, coups, invasions, or other disasters in places like Nigeria, Venezeula, the Persian Gulf, and the Caucasus can produce oil price spikes due to inelastic demand (the US must keep the lights on) and supply shocks (it can take decades to create supply out of oil-tar sands and shale, for example).

Much of the rest of the global economy in the 1990's and 2000's was based on bubbles. The Dot-Com bubble, the Real Estate Bubble, the credit bubble, all provided inflated consumer wealth that led to over-spending from places like Iceland to Dublin. Including consumer spending on fashion, cosmetics, and the like, which unlike food and energy are discretionary.

As the Wall Street Journal article "Thick Fashion Magazines Are So Last Year" makes clear (Marketplace, P1, Aug 17, 2009), Ad spending in magazines are down from between 20 and 41%. With advertisers moving to cheaper on-line venues after years of resistance.


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Young women living the Sex and the City lifestyle were able to do so on the bubble economy. Now that cheap credit is gone, and energy price shocks an inevitable outcome, it is quite likely that the world will experience the equivalent to the "Lost Decade" of Japan, where consumer spending matched income: stagnant. Much of the "fabulous" jobs that were "semi-creative" such as design, fashion, marketing, advertising, and so on will simply disappear. We are already seeing the stormy petrel of this event in the reduced advertising spending on Fashion Magazines, and indeed the reduced revenues that fashion designers are finding in the global recession.

Even with the "Mancession" (men outnumber women in joblosses as noted by Seeking Alpha and The Atlantic) women have long-term vulnerability. The few sectors showing growth: Health, Education, and Welfare are vulnerable to downturns in government spending.


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Currently women have an advantage over (White) men in these fields. Women have an Affirmative Action preference in all over men, particularly in Education and Welfare. Special programs even exist targeting only girls to put them into College. Most college-outreach programs have female-preferences. In government jobs, the direct Affirmative Action preference for women guarantees more women than men, in significant amounts, will be hired, and promoted. The National Organization for Women pressured Obama to change the stimulus bill away from male-employment to female-friendly spending, and towards State Government bailouts. The few dollars that went to infrastructure spending were funneled into repaving highways. Eisenhower built the national highway system, and Obama repaved a few miles of it.

But the stimulus bill, which requires an increase in welfare spending by the States, and welfare workers (most of them female) is good for only two years. After that, the money runs out. States are in a budget crisis — not just California but nearly all states have far more expenses (mostly government employees who expanded during good times) than revenues. The scope of the deficits are so large that the Federal Government, already pressed by the stimulus bill, auto bailout, financial bailout, and prospective Health and Cap and Trade spending simply won't have the money to keep State employees at current levels. Some employee cuts will have to be made. The same is likely true at the Federal level. While the Federal government can push inflation as back-door tax increases, the ability to do so while the Chinese hold substantial amounts of US debt is in question (inflation erodes the value of their investments in our debt). At a minimum, inflation (reducing purchasing power applied to Chinese imports) would seriously impact China-US trade, the detriment of China. Producing an inevitable reaction. Already, Chinese delegates laughed at US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's assurance that the US is determined not to see inflation rise to 1970's levels.

With added public pressure to reduce the deficit on a wary, frightened Congress spooked by the reaction of the public to incumbents, the ObamaCare debacle, and past spending, it is highly likely that the Federal Government will face tremendous pressure to reduce federal employment, particularly in the Health, Education, and Welfare spending categories. Middle class White voters feel that these areas are merely for connected people and lobbyists, not any benefit to they themselves, or at best non-Whites who collect money set-aside for those groups. Lack of broad political patronage aimed at the White Middle Class means there is little enthusiasm for mass government employment and spending, among the middle-aged middle class. And middle aged people outnumber young people by significant margins, and voting participation reliably goes up as does age. Seniors not only outnumber the Youth Vote, they vote in much higher percentages.

All of which means, the New Girl Order has at best a few more years before they too, find themselves in the unemployment line. Already fashion industry mainstays are experiencing less revenue than in prior years, and stores have ordered far fewer amounts in anticipation of reduced sales. While legal efforts to impose Gay Marriage on the US through the Supreme Court no doubt will be successful, the ability of the New Girl Order to impose gay values and make the world gay, per Lady Gaga's wishes, seems increasingly shaky. While marriage and relationships may indeed be made "gay" much of the male world is increasingly disconnected and removed from the New Girl Order, which itself seems on very shaky financial foundations. As noted at the Belmont Club, it takes only a few Bombay style attacks on shopping malls and such during the Holiday shopping season to tank retail sales ("Black Friday" is so named because that is when stores go into the "black" i.e. profit during the day after Thanksgiving sales). Causing another crash to match the auto and financial industry and housing crisis.

It's unlikely that a crash or series of crashes along with greatly increased female unemployment will change young single women's behavior. Their male peers will not be any more attractive — they themselves will be unemployed alongside them. If anything this prospective crash will simply increase the hypergamous competition for the few "Alpha males" with natural or applied "Game" (i.e. cocky-funny, aggressive attraction for women). Leaving most men unemployed or underemployed or feeling pressure, and with Halo and porn and sports for diversions.

What this does mean is that the ability of young single women to dominate the culture through large amounts of discretionary consumer spending is likely to end. Culminating in a "Cold Civil War" coined by April Gavaza not just in politics, but in culture, along gender lines.

Young single women will want the world turned "gay." So that beta, "icky" men will stop expressing sexual or romantic interest in them. Leaving them free to pursue the few Alpha men without distraction, and sharing them in a gay, or harem-derived fashion. Young single men, on the other hand, will want the world turned "Halo" or WWE. Withdrawing into their own private spheres, largely off the current media world, which seems set to decline into genteel poverty, ala Miss Haversham in "Great Expectations."

Such a Cold Civil War could last for generations, until one side simply exhausts its resources. Given the dependence on the New Girl Order on discretionary spending by young single women in urban areas (themselves excellent targets for WMD-wielding or even ordinary terrorists) with rising incomes in "fashionable" female fields or government employment, I'd bet on the WWE and Halo.

42 comments:

Rose said...

Straight women only like gay men because they don’t actually know anything about how such men they act as opposed to how they are presented by Hollywood and the media. Most women would be utterly repulsed by the form that the majority of male-male sexual encounters take, that of anonymous encounters in public space with hundreds to thousands of partners over a lifetime, but the truth about male homosexuality has become as forbidden a truth as black crime.

Whiskey said...

That's quite possible Rose.

Novaseeker said...

Good post, Whiskey.

On the gay thing, I think the issue is, in part, what you suggest – namely that by encouraging more men to become gay, the thicket of beta males is thinned out as men keep each other busy sexually and don't bother women, freeing them up to pursue the very few men who really interest them.

I think there are a few other issues that make gay men endearing to women:

* Gays eschew gender roles. That is the feminist wet dream. If there's one thing that feminists hate, it's the idea that men and women are, by virtue of sex, different. Gay men say: not so! We are males, but we are attracted to other males, like most women. We are males, but we like to be penetrated by males, like most women. We are males, but we like fashion and shopping and gossip, like most women. By undermining what it means to be “male”, gay men directly support the feminist dogma that there are no differences between men and women beyond the mere accidents of genitalia and the outlawed to use differences in physical strength and size. And feminists love the heck out of that.

* Gays eschew family, children and a traditional lifestyle, in pursuit of pleasure, excitement, personal wealth and individual satisfaction. Feminism has taught women that family and children are albatrosses around their necks, and that the pursuit of non-stop self-actualization is what they should aspire to. Gay men are this in spades, and form, again, a contrast to straight men in this regard.

* Gays are fundamentally counter-cultural and anti-religion – both targets of feminism and which many young women have learned from their feminist political officers to embrace. Again, gay men form a counterpoint to many young men in these areas.

* Gay men are the perfect LJBF men. Women know that when they LJBF a guy, he still often secretly desires them. That's always a risk that he may lose it and date rape them, or piss off as a friend after a while if she doesn't turn around and so on. Not so with gay men. They have no sexual interest at all, and their LJBF status is perceived by women as being more genuine. They make, for women, the perfect male friends, because they are, by definition, de-sexualized, and as we all know women completely de-sexualize their male friends, as the ladder theory explains.

I think you're right that the cultural cold war will grind along. Men are not going to “become gay” to any significant degree. It's pretty wired against that, and unlike the feminist lies about this, it isn't really culturally conditioned. Yes, homosexuality has always existed, but so have various other deviancies. Most men will never be gay, if they are free to not be gay.

As for the New Girl Order, I'm not so sure. It could play out the way you suggest, or it could be different. I think we have to assume that the government will always favor women because they are the birth-givers and incubators. The only way I see that favoritism ending is if/when there is a technological breakthrough in that regard that largely makes that role replaceable. If/when that happens, then women are in for a very rude awakening and a long-deserved come-uppance. Perhaps a permanent one.

njartist said...

From what I have read on the sites discussing MKULTRA and Monarch mind control, Lady GaGa is under Monarch mind control; hence, her desire for a gay world is really the promptings of those behind the control.

Anonymous said...

I always had a feeling Lady Gaga hated heterosexual culture and this proves I was right.

I've also learned that any girl who proclaims herself as "bi" loves women far more than men. Lady Gaga has stated in several interviews that she derives far more inspiration from women than men for her music.

That's your typical bi girl for you.

Anonymous said...

I can guarantee you this, no matter how this Cold Civil War ends, we are going to see a SHARP increase in the popularity of t-girls.

These will be taken by straight males who can't afford foreign women and/or don't wanna turn gay to escape Western women's bullshit.

The t-girls will become their compromise.

Mark my words, it's already happening!

Novaseeker said...

The rise in popularity of transwomen is interesting, I agree.

Feminists predicted it, in a way, and in the 60s/70s were VERY hostile to transsexuals because they saw them as being "stooges" to male determined ideas of femininity, being born male themselves.

They are still discriminated against by femininists, as in the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival (reserved for "womyn born womyn" ... so much for biology not being destiny ... and even minor sons of women are excluded from coming along .. but no sexism there, not at all).

I honestly see the rise in this as another aspect of primitivism. Pre-Christian times featured male temple prostitutes, who were generally transvestite, to service men sexually. That this has resurrected itself is yet another sign of cultural regression and decline.

kurt9 said...

I thought most straight women did not like guy men because they have no sexual influence over them. Women, especially attractive women, like to use their sexual attractiveness to manipulate men to do what they want. Since their sexual appeal does not work on gay men, it would make more sense to think that most straight women would at least be ambivalent towards gay men.

Anonymous said...

" t-girls.

These will be taken by straight males who can't afford foreign women and/or don't wanna turn gay to escape Western women's bullshit."

You seriously suggest that a man would act out his masculinity by intercourse with a surgically modified transexual?

No, I think men are more likely to act out their manliness by plain old killing.

When Chinese boys are asked about gender imbalance, a common response is, "No problem, I'll just kill ten men and take whatever women are left."

Do you think Westerners will prove to be less pragmatic?

Whiskey said...

I have to go with anonymous there. Probably more killing. Its the standard response to a woman shortage.

Most female entertainment Kurt9 is very gay friendly. Often, gays have a hand in creating it as well. If you go onto female forums like TMZ, or Televisionwithoutpity, or Dlisted, you will see a very pro-gay attitude. These are mostly younger women posting there, from their language and word choices and references.

roissy said...

lady gaga may be a hermaphrodite:

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/08/lady-gaga-hermaphrodite-picture-sparks-rumors/

that might explain the raspy voice and manjaw.

i bring news you can use.

Anonymous said...

Having been to Turkey where sex is still very restricted, I can attest to the popularity of transvestites among younger guys.

mike said...

Whiskey and Nova, I'd like to echo what Rose said. Most straight liberal women don't know any "normal" gay men. They only men they recognize as gay are the men that are easily identifiable as gay - prancing fairies.

Thanks to an unusual twist of fate, I've known a lot of regular gay and lesbian folk since I was a kid. I've also spent most of the past decade in the educational complex. Here are my observations:

As many people have said, and as common sense would indicate, there is very little common ground between gay men and lesbians. Members of both groups have definitively rejected the main reason why the sexes come together. What they do have in common is their masculinity. Committed gays and lesbians, in my experience, are more masculine and also more economically conservative than average. These are not people who spend their money on shoes and chandeliers - they save for fixer-upper brownstones and 30-foot yachts. Having passed on making babies, they look for other ways to make a lasting impact on the world. They don't want to be taxed to pay for illegal immigrants, and they absolutely loathe the meek appeasers of Islam. They don't seek out "gay pride" events because they are no more "proud" of their sexuality than octopi are proud of having 8 legs. It's just a reality to them, and they live with it.

Contrast this with my experience with homosexuality among my own generation. "Gay virgins" - men who had self-identified as gay for years without ever experiencing penetrative intercourse with either sex. "Bi girls" whose experience with homosexuality was limited to making out on a couch with another girl while drunk and being egged on by similarly drunk male partygoers.

What do these two groups have in common? They ape the popular image of homosexuality, ironically in order to gain attention from the opposite sex. The faux-gay man in high school and college has a large circle of female friends. The faux-lesbian attracts tons of attention from straight male partygoers.

Why do they do it? Intra-gender status competition. The faux-gay man can lord his impressive female coterie over his ordinary straight male peers. The faux-lesbian can lord the enormous male attention over her ordinary straight female peers. The tragedy (for men, mostly) is that this status-seeking develops into a "lifestyle choice" - leading, eventually, to a lot of disgruntled pseudo-gay men.

I think that we ought to distinguish between these two groups. It's a big miscalculation to lump in the average gay person with the Perez Hiltons and Barney Franks of the world. Real gay people are almost diametrically opposed to those who are gay "because it's cool".

Elusive Wapiti said...

I really don't see much of a collapse in the Hymowitz GirlzJusWannaHafFun spending factor that you guys do. Reason: while some of the more ridiculous bubble-driven spending will tail off, single chicks still gotta eat and find places to live. And unless things go really pear-shaped economically (forcing women to band economically together with beta provider men or other women), they'll do just fine on their own. Moreover, for reasons specified by Whiskey, the knowledge/service economy will increasingly favor women as men are socially and educationally marginalized more and more. This will ensure that the New Girl Order has staying power and stymie a return to the traditional order.

Ditto for the single guys to a certain extent. They'll employ their labor to scrape along and keep themselves fed and clothed and housed, and their labor surplus to keep them amused.

But by far the biggest impact of this Domestic Cold War is in relationships and the birth rate. Being married with children places significant demands on a woman's excess labor, as well as her autonomy. Why buy the cow (marrying men) when one can get the milk for free (welfare, WIC, subsidized child care, chilimony)? Every new day in our society means that there is less and less reason for women to marry, as the socialized society fulfills the economic function of the male for them. So there will be a steadily declining impetus for women to marry for the long term, except as a means to secure a claim on a man's excess labor for her own benefit.

Moreover, many here have speculated about the declining ability of men and especially women to be able to hold down a long-term relationship.

Both of these reinforcing phenomena spell demograpic winter.

Nova wrote:
"...namely that by encouraging more men to become gay, the thicket of beta males is thinned out as men keep each other busy sexually and don't bother women, freeing them up to pursue the very few men who really interest them."

As you say later in your comment Nova, I really don't see mass conversions of beta men to homogamy. Realistically, I see the levels of homogamous men staying about where they are, and the remainder of straight guys in guy land slaking their sex drives on hookers and porn.

Don't know if those straight dudes will turn to rape or not, but I suppose anything is possible when society purposefully disinvests whole segments of the population.

The question that nags at me is how the gap between the decadent female-led majority and the minority of (relatively) culturally upright beta men will play out.

Two things are certain, though. Each day it is more and more apparent that putting women in the drivers seat of society is a suicide pact. The second is that the "women civilize men" saw is just that. Instead, it's obvious to me that marriage and family merely domesticates men; it is men who civilize women and who transmit civilization from one generation to the next.

Whiskey said...

Mike -- Gay groups in the Netherlands and elsewhere originally (according to Bruce Bawer author of "While Europe Slept" and an openly gay man) supported Islamic immigration and activities in the joint opposition to straight White conservative Christianity. Now of course Gays in the Netherlands oppose Islamization, being on the receiving end of brutality against them, and likely after it is too late, but in the US we have "Queers for Palestine" and Zombie of Zombietime.com has plenty of documentary evidence (photos/videos) of gays in San Francisco marching in support of Islam and so on. Gays generally (and understandably) vote for Left/Dem candidates, Log Cabin Republicans notwithstanding.

I suspect that Gay influence on the wider culture is less about Gays (who are quite likely a small percentage of people and numbers) and more about the social attitudes of young single women. It's quite probable their attitudes are what you describe. In New Orleans there was (and I assume still are) substantial amounts of gays in the Quarter and in Uptown. While they were often as you say, sober and industrious around town, owning and operating many of the antique shops in the Quarter and on Magazine Street, the Gay Pride Parades were very exhibitionist. Most of the women I knew socially there (and in SoCal) found the Gay Pride Parades irresistible and enthusiastically attended. Probably for the same reason drunken male party goers encouraged girl-on-girl macking.

It was striking though. Nearly all the women I knew, casually and socially, loved to go to Gay Pride Parades and constantly talked about what they saw there.

Ferdinand Bardamu said...

Whiskey:

Good work on this. The impending implosion of the "she-conomy" is something that few are paying attention to.

"Young women living the Sex and the City lifestyle were able to do so on the bubble economy. Now that cheap credit is gone, and energy price shocks an inevitable outcome, it is quite likely that the world will experience the equivalent to the "Lost Decade" of Japan, where consumer spending matched income: stagnant. Much of the "fabulous" jobs that were "semi-creative" such as design, fashion, marketing, advertising, and so on will simply disappear. We are already seeing the stormy petrel of this event in the reduced advertising spending on Fashion Magazines, and indeed the reduced revenues that fashion designers are finding in the global recession."

Are you a fan of David Goldman (aka Spengler)? He's been saying this this for a while now.

Jay Fink said...

When I was young and dateless some family members wondered if I was gay. I found that to be quite offensive. Just because women weren't attracted to me doesn't mean I was attracted to men. That's quite a leap.

Although some would love the idea, you will never get unwanted lower beta and omega males to "turn gay" because they fail with women It just doesn't work that way. The vast majority of men, regardless of how much sexual market value they have, will only feel attraction towards the opposite sex.

Conando said...

"Now of course Gays in the Netherlands oppose Islamization, being on the receiving end of brutality against them"

You mean literally, right? They took/take it hard up the ass?

Anonymous said...

An anonymous commenter mentioned the rise in popularity for t-girls.

Another commenter responded that feminists absolutely despise t-girls for they consider them a throwback, an impediment to their goals.

I'll tell you the truth in a nutshell. The reason the t-girls are getting popular in the west is because men are becoming better women than the women themselves.

And the girls can't fucking stand it!!

In their minds, the thought that an "imposter" could ever be more desirable to any male than the "real thing" is a slap on the face of today's scornfully insolent empowered female.

Professor Hale said...

A few observations:

1. Lady gaga, like Madonna before her, is using gay to hype her own image. She was being interviewed by a gay magazine. Of course she is going toplay to the crowd. If she were in Amercian Rifleman she would have talked about how she adored fresh venison and really appreciated a man who knew how to get it. Gaga knows she has only 5 years to make as much as she can before she is forgotten. Sex hype is how she gets noticed

2. The female consumer mind is further demonstrated by the saving rate of single females. They tend to spend all they have every month. They do not save for retirement or to buy a house so they can settle down and get married. It is as if they all have a secret unwritten program to expect an as-yet-unidentified man to do that for them. Even in marriage, the man's income tends to pay for the home, the woman's income pays for the woman.

njartist said...

The second is that the "women civilize men" saw is just that. Instead, it's obvious to me that marriage and family merely domesticates men; it is men who civilize women and who transmit civilization from one generation to the next.

This old saw is one of the favorite expressions of the pseudo-conservatives such as George Will and the late Wm. F. Buckley. I always considered it to be a falsehood as it is contrary to a proper reading of the bible. Furthermore, I consider the saw to be one of the major causes of the current feminist movement.

OneSTDV said...

"that of anonymous encounters in public space with hundreds to thousands of partners over a lifetime"

Is this still true? I imagine it had some truth when homosexuality was socially unacceptable, but are there reliable stats on this behavior since the mid-90's?

And maybe I'm giving it too much credit, but I imagine The Real World has been a huge driving force for gays. Every season, there's always at least one gay person and usually 2.

Novaseeker said...

I think it's still pretty much true in terms of the promiscuity, it just takes a different form now thanks to the internet.

Go and check out Craigslist and look at the sheer volume of ads there for no-strings gay sex as compared to pretty much anything else on the site. Oh they're plenty promiscuous alright.

Guillermo said...

"..Is this still true? I imagine it had some truth when homosexuality was socially unacceptable, but are there reliable stats on this behavior since the mid-90's?"

Yes, it is still true. It is truer than ever. The resurgence of syphillis in the U.S. is driven by homosexual men. But it goes much further than that. I lived in that world for most of my adult life. Bathhouses, circuit parties, hook-ups for people or groups through the internet. It is extremely compulsive behavior and it is very widespread. Homosexuality is not an identity -it is a deviation caused by the lack of a father and an over-bearing mother. I recommend visiting narth.com.

Rose said...

"I'll tell you the truth in a nutshell. The reason the t-girls are getting popular in the west is because men are becoming better women than the women themselves."

Bender: I need more lipstick! Much more! Ooh, yeah! That's the stuff! Men love it when you really glob it on.
Leela: No, they don't.
Amy: No way!
Bender: Oh, please! Every man wants a tramp. No wonder you girls aren't married. I tell you, men are so much better at being women.

Whiskey said...

Ferdinand -- Yes I've read Spengler (and Steve Sailer and Mark Steyn) a lot. Both tend to focus on macro-economic, demographic, and thus the drivers of culture. I just page past Spengler's religious stuff, since it has IMHO little predictive value about where society/culture/people are going, and Sailer IMHO often misses the point of how changing culture affects society (and what drives the change).

Conando -- No I mean beatings and killings. Few Gays in the West are conservative like those in the Netherlands (Pym Fortune advocated against immigration, and wanted to kick out those who would not adhere to Dutch values). Gays now will reliably vote for "Rightist" parties (which are probably to the left of Republicans here). Such as Gert Wilders party. But it was an ugly journey -- Gay leaders promoted Islamic immigration promising a Multicultural paradise, and got preachers screaming about how best to kill Gays in Islamic tradition: topple walls on them or throw them off buildings.

Since none of this was hidden in any way, I can only conclude that the anger against the Straight White Beta Male was so large and focused that it over-rode common sense among Gays and Women and Leftists.
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Women used to be the main drivers of thrift. For obvious reasons. Its a shocking tragedy that consumerism infects them. Men of course are equally vulnerable, the only reason they are not more consumerist than women is that they are less targeted. I've seen the 80% of consumer spending done by women mantra, many marketers take it on faith, but I've yet to see solid data for that assumption.

I don't know if women are low-savers or not or low savers compared to men -- certainly overall the US savings rate is low. I don't think women plan on male incomes to supplement theirs. Rather, they have their own and don't save, a factor which probably given the low national rate hits both sexes.

We certainly don't have a culture of thrift.

Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech said...

I don't know if women are low-savers or not or low savers compared to men -- certainly overall the US savings rate is low. I don't think women plan on male incomes to supplement theirs. Rather, they have their own and don't save, a factor which probably given the low national rate hits both sexes.

Savings isn't the thing to look at, debt is. In the UK (and I suspect elsewhere) women have twice as much debt as men.

With added public pressure to reduce the deficit on a wary, frightened Congress spooked by the reaction of the public to incumbents, the ObamaCare debacle, and past spending, it is highly likely that the Federal Government will face tremendous pressure to reduce federal employment, particularly in the Health, Education, and Welfare spending categories.

This is correct. An increasingly unemployed public will demand lower spending in these areas. One of the next battles will be public pensions. Since all level of government will be stuck having to pay enough of the pensions, that means there will be less jobs in these areas as well so thus even more unemployed women.

It's worth noting this will be much worse than Japan's lost decade. In Japan lots of people don't move out of the house upon adulthood like they do here. This meant that people in their 20s and even older could keep spending. That won't be an option.

Of course this isn't going to mean women are going to look for provider (beta) men. Similar to how Obama has handled this economic crisis, women are going to double down, quadruple down, and go for broke (literally in many ways). This just means when everything crashes on them it will be infinitely worse for them.

In the longer term technology is against women and their jobs. The only way to do that is for government to put a stranglehold on scientific and technological advancement. Arguably, this is already being tried with the government takeover of health care.

Anonymous said...

"I don't think women plan on male incomes to supplement theirs."

That's just plain naive, Whiskey. You acknowledge that women have princess fantasies. You acknowledge that women disbelieve the reality of aging and think they can score a provider beta anytime. You acknowledge that women get more family support as well as more support from the government.

Given all this, how can you deny that women (consciously or unconsciously) count on supplemental income from an outside source - generally speaking, a male provider - to ensure their long-term financial well-being? Why would anyone expect women to live within their means when it's so clear that either Captain Save-A-Ho or the Feds will ride in on a white horse and rescue a damsel in financial distress? Why wouldn't you expect "liberated", "empowered" women to do the same thing with their wallets that they do with their vaginas?

Anonymous said...

I just see no way in hell that omegas and betas are going to start getting in relationships with T girls. The thought is repulsive.

Porn and call girls. When I order up a call girl, I can click a button (yes! I can order a call girl using a site search form!) that eliminates T girls. Easy to do and why would I not?

As for non-paid escorts, I and other omegas will wait for sexbots.

Whiskey said...

Anon -- Women certainly are not rushing out to marry -- the marriage rate is declining and the age of first marriage increasing as is Single Motherhood. Rather, women have rushed into jobs with growth potential and wage stability: Health, Education, and Welfare related, mostly out of government spending, and marketing/fashion/design etc.

All these sectors are "bubble" and likely to come crashing down. But women are not looking for that "beta provider" -- one consequence of women's own economic stability in years past is the ability to seek excitement and thrills over dependability in men.

We are already seeing this with Loh's "Kitchen Bitch" comments and the various books extolling women to seek passion over beta providers.

Women will eventually be in the bread lines with everyone else, but I don't see them finding beta providers particularly worthy. Yes women have princess fantasies, but those fantasies generally require LOTS of wealth/power in their men, or lots of excitement and social dominance. Thus the edgy/hip bicycle messenger or the Master of the Universe. Only a few of either type, so that implies sharing. Something women unlike men will do.

Female Misogynist said...

You might be interested in the book How Homosexuals Saved Civilization. Despite the title, it's actually about how homosexuals assisted the cultural decadence of the last few decades.

Anonymous said...

"In the longer term technology is against women and their jobs. The only way to do that is for government to put a stranglehold on scientific and technological advancement."

Technology is empowering the individual and undermining the legitimacy of the centralized state.

One, two, many Unabombers.

One, two, many Beltway Snipers.

One, two, many Somalias.

In the long run the USA is going to do a "soft landing" into a much cheaper centralized government, a collapse into many decentralized governments, or a "hard crash" into extinction.

For more info:
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/

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Anonymous said...

mike - I've known ''real gay'' men too and they are anything but masculine... but neither are they feminine

They are BOTH (or NEITHER)
It may astound you but 99.99 % of gay men are a combination of masculine and feminine qualities (or NONE of it)

It's as ridiculous to be too effemitate as to be hyper masculine in gay men

Gay men whom are ''hyper masculine'' are only hiding their insecurities... there was a gay article I read by an Asian gay man that said something like this ''Gay men and 'Straight Acting'/Masculinity'' and in the details ''This only SHUTS down feelings in gay men... gay men become withdrawn and to show the world they are 'tough' become something they are not... they become 'hyper masculine'... this is not the solution... it's not weakeness to show your true self and emotions''

Anyhow TRANNIES??? YUCK
I believed this all started with the SICK push in porn to ''anal sex with women''

Fuck them all!
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Vagina & Penis

Now there are trannies,anal, BDSM and so much other crap

Anonymous said...

Oh and I've never met much gay men (they are a minority and all) but those were my experiences

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