Thursday, November 18, 2010

Beta Males and Inferior Men


Comedy writer and former "Upright Citizens Brigade" performer Julie Klausner has a new book out. Called: "I Don't Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Faux Sensitive Hipsters, Felons and Others," it contains her complaints about inferior men and beta males.

To quote from the story in the Miami New Times:

Like most of us, she spent her twenties ricocheting from douchebag to douchebag, and she reveals every crappy moment in her dating memoir I Don't Care About Your Band: What I Learned from Indie Rockers, Trust Funders, Pornographers, Faux Sensitive Hipsters, Felons and Others. As expected, there are tons of laugh-out-loud lines delivered from Klaunser's sharp-wit pen. More surprisingly is how cringeworthy tales of blow jobs with goths and bedbug-infested one-night stands are followed with sage observations. For instance, she points out the stark difference between guys and men. (As she writes, if Mad Men was called Mad Guys, it'd star Joe Pesci and not Jon Hamm.)


The book is due to be made into an HBO series produced by Will Ferrell.


Historically, leading men, at least in comedy, have featured either the feckless or the boorish: the Fred Flintstones and Bullwinkles and then useless beta males. In my book, I say date guys like Rowlf and Fozzi and not Kermit. Let me think about it.


Klausner is unhappy with Michael Cera as a leading man, finding him immature and not manly. Though she is quite happy with teen-age Molly Ringwald, girlish 80's icon, as the leading lady for the late John Hughes movies.

It's the teenage boys I'm worried about. They're not going to college in numbers. They're going to be angry -- depending on who's coming back from the war. There are charities for girls and I'm all for that, but ultimately, the real problem is the epidemic of inferior men - which is basically what my book is about.


But her real beef is with the "inferior men" she has to deal with. In other words, not being hot enough to get the commitment of an Alpha male, full time, or "change" the "vintage-eyeglass-frame-wearing guys from Greenpoint or Silver Lake, who pedaled along avenues in between band practice and drinks with friends, sans attachment, oblivious to the impending hazards of reality and adulthood." Plus of course insulting attention from "inferior" and useless beta males.


This then, is the portrait (in extreme, somewhat) of the modern urban professional woman. Moving from "douchebag to douchebag" in fairly grotesque sexual situations, but terminally attracted to hipsters and trustafarians and indie band layabouts and felons and other Alpha males. Finding the "useless beta males" in her orbit both annoying and inferior. As ultimately the men she cannot gain commitment from or "change" into a tragically hip douchebag with money and responsibility, are inferior.

While of course, you'd expect this from say, Paris Hilton, who associates with Gummi Bear Davis and Fat Elvis Davis (grandsons of oilman Marvin Davis). The modern day equivalent of the Dick Van Dyke Show's Rose Marie? Not so much.

Note too, her books are designed to appeal to women readers. So both the exploits of sexual hook-ups in the most degrading and debased nature, and the complaints about the useless beta males and other inferior men, hit a chord. Otherwise this stuff would not be published, nor would she have so many projects. Even if the chord is mostly in Hollywood, it is important. Because Hollywood shapes the culture.

Modern women who are attractive but no great beauty, face a quandary. They can have access to "douchebag after douchebag" as the writer put it, Alpha males who will happily bed them or exploit them to pay the bills if they are layabout indie musicians in lame bands. But only the most beautiful women, can secure the commitment of an Alpha with money as well as options, and then only when they couple with an aging Alpha (think Catherine Zeta-Jones and Michael Douglas, or Annette Benning and Warren Beatty.)

After all, an Alpha is by definition, a man who can have many women. So he has many options. He will exploit them fully. Women are drawn, inexorably, to men who have the approval of other women, particularly those with a high partner count (other women slept with him, he must be GOOD!) This is hard-wired. The inferior men, the useless beta males, are not even on their radar. Nor will they be, ever. Women don't need anymore, a Kitchen Bitch.

Yet the qualities that women like Klausner desire, along with the sexiness, are found only in beta males, for the vast majority. Only a beauty like Catherine Zeta Jones marrying a much older Alpha at the end of his string, can expect faithfulness or even tenderness, sustained. This is the nature of the sexual marketplace. The freedom comes with a cost, and the winners exist only at the expense of the losers. The sexual marketplace, after all, is not like others. Men cannot "create" new women out of demand, and a value of a woman sexually and romantically decreases with age (as do that of men). A woman with many lovers is worth far less than one with fewer, and even for men there comes a point when too many is too many. Though indeed it comes later for them than women, given the aura of pre-selection dominant among women's decision making. But for winners to exist in the marketplace (maximizing their partner counts and freedom) there must inevitably be losers.

Average women are now no longer shamed (by more beautiful and Alpha women) from sharing the few desirable men. Be they indie rockers, trust funders, felons, pornographers, and hipsters. These are the men after all, Klausner chose to sleep with. Her book was not titled: "Accountants, Actuaries, Engineers, Programmers, and Managers: Boring Beta Nice Guys I Slept With." Those guys go home to their porn collection, while a few male winners go home with a new girl every night.

The biggest losers in the new Sexual Marketplace are ordinary guys, who live a life of involuntary celibacy in intermittent spurts, unless they can generate their inner asshole, and become at least for a while, the dominant, jerky, asshole that professional urban women like Klausner craves. Is Klausner an outlier? Certainly. Most professional women don't behave the way she does in outrageous degree. But it is certainly there, the preference for jerks and a-holes, just not as publicly expressed and likely not as thoroughly lived, as Klausner. But there, as the white-hot reaction for her book and HBO series shows.

Next up as losers, are the most beautiful women, who have to put up with cheating, endemically, from Sandra Bullock to Elin Nordgren. Their dominant Alpha a-hole husbands often choose less lovely hook-ups, because they simply crave variety and convenience. Of course these women could have married an accountant or someone of far lower social standing and power, but they chose naturally a man equal or better than their own, and with masculine power to match their feminine beauty. Thus not just discreet cheating, but massive amounts of it, in various forms. From John Edwards to Bill Clinton to Gavin Newsome (now California's Lt. Governor) to Eliot Spitzer to Mark Sanford, this is the cost for the beautiful women married to the most powerful men.

Winners, are of course, the women like Klausner, attractive but no great beauties, who can rack up sex with men they would never have been able to have before. No wonder this group, professional urban women, are the greatest advocates of the current social and sexual system. And no wonder they have nothing but contempt for the Kitchen Bitch and useless beta males.

What beta males offer, which is the potential (but not guarantee) of companionship, faithfulness, and help in child-rearing, really is not important. Klausner's book, in exploiting as she puts it, the 18-34 demo, is proof of that. It is a memoir of the bad boys she slept with (including felons apparently), not a good guy she ended up marrying. Absent from the book is a path to marriage and family, something very different from what women were interested in, fiction-wise, even thirty years ago.

This cannot be emphasized enough. Fiction appealing to women, overwhelmingly, does not focus on marriage and family, but rather bad boy hookups and degradation, along with rage at useless, beta males and other inferior men, as Klausner puts it.


Indeed, dig deeper and and see that is nerdy White guys who are Klausner's problem (and women like her).

"What I say in the book is the white, nerdy, sensitive guy is not the minority anymore," Julie said. "Between tech jobs and the creative establishment, I mean, they are the ones who feel repressed but they are actually high status."

Julie explained how the "white, nerdy, sensitive" guy, who is most in control of the comedy world, is not the nice, non-threatening person a lot of women think he is.

"There is this book 'Guyland' by Michael Kimmel [that says] how boys don't really grow up to be men anymore, they mostly become 'guys' who play video games and live in a 'frat house' type of environment for the duration of their 20's," she said. "The kind of boy's club I'm used to? It is definitely not a jock-y, frat-y kind of thing. They say 'I'm sensitive and nerdy,' but actually it's like 'You're a huge child and you're terrified of women, but you don't like sports so you think that makes you less of a misogynist."


Yep, from the woman who dated felons and trust-funders, the enemy is the nerdy White guy who is really a misogynist. Read: not high status enough. Klausner doesn't have a problem with bad-boy Charlie Sheen, who held a knife to his wife's throat, on Christmas Day. But she does have a problem with guys who are not dominant and masculine enough to hold her sexual interest.

Or rather, White guys who are not sexy enough for her. Its basically the equivalent of the frat guy "No Fat Chicks" refrain. Only "No Fat Chicks" extended to every woman who is not super-model thin. This is the attitude of sexual plenty. Never before have ordinary women had so much sexual access to dominant bad boys as today. No wonder the ordinary guys around them provoke them to rage and disdain and the nuclear missile "misogyny." After all, they don't need them. They can pick up a sexy bad boy any time.

"Any woman I know can smell a boyfriend a mile away. Women are intuitive, they know when a guy is interested but he's not going to be there for her in that boyfriend-y way," Julie said. "But if he wants to fuck you, and he's attractive, obviously you're going to go in that direction. And for people to say 'Oh, you should have waited and he would have stayed' it's like, 'No he wouldn't have, and I wouldn't have gotten laid.' I'm still allowed to feel bad when he doesn't do what he's supposed to."


Again, Klausner and women like her (probably most women on the Huffington Post) want a sexy bad boy. Just one devoted to her. She'll trade sex with the bad boy in favor of "boring" life with a useless, White beta male.

And that is the other part of it. Klausner has no complaints about Hip Hop and Rap artists spouting off about bitches and hos. Nor the lurid imagery of most rap videos. Nor Mexican/Latin machismo. Nope. Her complaint is White guys are not macho tough and dominating enough. When of course, any masculine display by a White guy is allowed only if he is entirely outside the professional workplace. The macho assholes Klausner and most White female professional women crave, can only exist in the indie band, trust fund, hipster, and felon environments. Try that in the professional corporate workplace and you as an ordinary White guy get fired. Fired fast. Complaining about White guys not being as tough and as dominant as a Hells Angel's biker is like a guy complaining that the girls at the mall are ten pounds overweight, and are not in fact supermodels.

Indeed the hatred of nerdy white guys gets overt:

The "mousy" girl she's talking about, the kind that every guy around her seems to want, is brought up in her book as the character Pam Beesely on "The Office." She writes: "There's nothing scary about Pam because there's no mystery: she's just like the boys who like her; mousy and shy. The ultimate emo boy fantasy is to meet a nerdy, cute girl just like him, and nobody else will realize she's pretty."

So who decided Pam was the epitome of emo-boy desire? Probably the emo-boys who get writing jobs on popular NBC sitcoms. Julie expressed her discontent with this domination of culture.

"Whenever culture isn't being controlled by enough gay people or Jewish people, I always get nervous," Julie said. "I feel like the whole 'Pam' thing is a result of straight, angry nerds taking over the world, frankly. And the gays and Jews, look... We know what we're doing; we've done this for years."


Of course, Klausner would not like culture being controlled by Jewish guys like Shuster, or Siegel, or Lee, Kane, or Kirby, or Mayer. No Superman, Batman, Hulk, or Captain America for her. Funny, how when nerdy, non-gay Jews created a whole pulp industry, or the modern Hollywood, their model of masculinity was Superman, or Captain America, or Batman, or Jimmy Stewart, or John Wayne. Of course, in the same breath, Klausner worships Tina Fey. Who is definitely neither gay nor Jewish. Klausner's beef of course is with too many nerdy White writers. Who just are not hot and dominating enough for her.

Why does she care who the emo-boys find "pretty?" Considering her disdain for them? The answer of course is that Klausner herself is not exactly a knock-out. Her words about Tina Fey needing to lose 30 pounds before going on the air are revealing, and empathetic, and she herself in her pictures does not look like a drop-dead beautiful woman. And yet, she still racked up the bad boy count. Even an ordinary woman can rack up the frequent flier miles with the bad boys. Leaving her equivalent male counterpart with porn or World of Warcraft. She wonders why emo-boys and slackers never grow up? Why should they? What's the reward? Disgust they're not gay from the bad-boy addicts? Being an honorary gay for a day?

Klausner's ideal society would be comprised of a few bad boy Alpha Male White guys, plenty of non-Whites and all the beta males turned gay. So they won't bother her and be instead politically correct. Since most of PC is designed to channel "evil Male White energy" into a denatured and de-masculinized emo-boy dead end, that at least "stops racism" and such. Since every White guy who is not Alpha is a threat. A threat to hit on her, quite likely, which most SWPL women, urban professional White women, find revolting and sickening.

This explains, by the way, the gender gap for White women voting. White women will always vote more Democratic than White Men, because a non-insignificant portion of White women have nothing but contempt for White guys who are useless beta males. Not hot enough for them. Most half-way attractive White women would prefer all White guys be either hot, dominating Alphas, or Gay. Hence the love for gays and disdain for Straight White Guys Who Are Not Charlie Sheen. Professional White women simply detest the 90% of White guys not on their sexual radar, for obvious reasons, and detest everything that these White guys like and stand for. Not the least of which is anything to the right of Tina Fey. Who is the default taste-maker for the White female professional class.

Again, while Klausner is more extreme than most White professional women, she is not expressing anything that is not fairly common among most of them. Disdain for White beta males (and implicit approval for pretty much any non-White guy?) Check. Hatred for "useless beta males?" Check. Love of the gays and hatred of Straight White Guys Not Charlie Sheen? Check. Disappointment that all the douchebags she slept with would not "change" for her? Check! A dubious and checkered sexual past making her a poor bet for a long-term relationship? Double check! A taste for the slumming side (including felons?) Triple Check! Yes while Klausner is more extreme than most, she is not outside the pale. She's not subject to ridicule and hatred the way, say Sarah Palin is. Salon does not make fun or her, nor do New Yorker writers say of her, as they do of Palin, that hearing her voice makes a piece of their soul die!

White women will not change their general hatred of beta White guys until and unless they all turn into variations of Charlie Sheen. I.E. dominant in some way, complete assholes, who are nevertheless terribly sexy (because they break through PC behavior bs to be completely masculine a-holes). While still of course conforming to PC beliefs generally. As does 9/11 Truther Charlie Sheen (it only makes him more attractive to women, he's getting great ratings among his almost exclusively female audience on Two and A Half Men). Since that will happen, well never, the same fairly large (around 8-5 percentage points in the White female vote) split towards Democrats will happen.

Thus, any desire for Conservative votes among Whites MUST take far more of men. White professional women like Klausner will always vote their hatred of nerdy Straight White guys who insulted them by expressing a sexual/romantic interest* in their votes. Thus greater votes among same nerdy White guys is the only possible outcome for victory. Non-whites being futile territory since Democrats/liberals can always outbid conservatives with anti-White guy measures spreading pork, preferential discrimination (against White guys) and benefits (no White guys need apply) to win their votes.

Conservative Republicans need to take note. White Professional women will never vote for them any more than Tina Fey (their heroine) will. They need to hit the slacker guy, the emo-guy, with appeals to embrace their inner asshole and "be a jerk. Vote Conservative!" The way beer commercials push outrageous but funny behavior.

*It is an insult, for most semi-attractive women, to be hit on by guys their own attractiveness level who are not dominant A-holes. Because it implies they are on that level of attractiveness, not the level they pencil themselves in, as the most beautiful, because they can sleep with Alpha A-holes. Because average looking women can nab (for a while) that tattooed biker, or indie rocker layabout, or the trustafarian, or the hipster, all of whom have a lot of other women, they figure they are more beautiful and desirable than they are. They find it gravely insulting for an average guy, of their own status and attractiveness, to express an interest in them.


68 comments:

Thrasymachus said...

Klausner's comments reveal her to be a racist Jew. One conflict within Jewish society is that a lot of Jewish women hate nerdy men, yet Jewish men are often nerdy. (From Yiddish we get our loan words "nebbish" and "mensch".) The contempt for nerds is at least in part due to the adoption of Jewish values in society at large.

What these women need is some "taming of the shrew." Make it clear to Ms. Klausner or her equivalent she needs to can the attitude, and she will probably be relieved.

Anonymous said...

This is very good, Whiskey. Other bloggers need to be pointed to this so they can give their own takes on it.

I *do* think that white beta males do have value to these women once they get a bit older. Marriage to betas provides extra household income, someone to help with chores, and parenting aid if they have a kid from an alpha, and if not, then a father for any children they might want.

HR Lincoln said...

“The macho assholes Klausner and most White female professional women crave, can only exist in the indie band, trust fund, hipster, and felon environments. Try that in the professional corporate workplace and you as an ordinary White guy get fired. Fired fast.”

In today’s world, when a young man works very hard at his career, whether in corporate America or in self employment, and is successful, he invariably becomes cooperative, inoffensive, and possesses moral character. If he’s not those things, he fails. In today’s America, becoming such a man is of little value in his endeavor to attract an attractive woman to be his wife and bear his children. And this state of affairs is upside-down from the America of 50 years ago, when my parent’s generation were busy establishing families.

With few exceptions, the men I’ve observed that were most successful with women were what my Dad would have called bums – completely unable or unwilling to hold respectable jobs, who have flitted about in multiple odd occupations, often chronically unemployed, getting economic life support from the women in their lives, substance abusers, etc. Those few exceptions were extremely successful charming guys who were also tall and exceptionally good-looking.

There’s so much bad stuff that spins off of this state of affairs, both socially and economically, that it’s hard to imagine a soft landing for our culture.

c-omega said...

Man that's a messed up broad,and i'm black!

Polichinello said...

Ehhh, I think it's a lot of wasted pixels over someone trying to be Kathy Griffin.

Her whole take on the Pam Beesly character is so wildly out-of-whack I don't know where to begin. She wasn't some beau ideal of "nerdy" men, but a stand-in for most women you find in places like Scranton. My wife and her friends were drawn to the show because of the soap opera dynamic between her and Jim. Who doesn't know a half-dozen iterations of Pam Beesly?

I really think in this case it's not so much that Klausner's turning her nose up at Steady Eddy, but that Steady Eddy tends to check out after second or third date. I mean, really, you gotta be pretty pathetic to want stick around with a some hybrid of Fran Drescher and Carrot Top. Who else other than the D-bags inhabiting that freak show we call the metropolitan LA area could tolerate her for more than a day?

Anonymous said...

A New York City Jewish Slut plays the moral conscience of our women. This won't end well.

Anonymous said...

OT: Viewers pull plug on US cable television

"The number of people subscribing to US cable television services has suffered its biggest decline in 30 years as younger, tech-savvy viewers lead an exodus to web-based operations, such as Hulu and Netflix."

Heh.

njartist said...

When the SHTF, kick the bitch and any one like her out of the lifeboat.

njartist said...

And kill the white knight keeping you in steerage or off the lifeboat at gunpoint.

I can no longer care for even the so-called "Christian" female.

Ray Manta said...

I *do* think that white beta males do have value to these women once they get a bit older. Marriage to betas provides extra household income, someone to help with chores, and parenting aid if they have a kid from an alpha, and if not, then a father for any children they might want.

No doubt they do, but what's in it for the beta provider? She gets free babysitting and a meal ticket, he gets the declining years of a woman with tons of emotional baggage and quite likely a venereal disease as a bonus.

Whiskey said...

Thrasymachus -- I suspect Klausner would not care for the comedy of say, Rob Schneider. Or Adam Sandler. For one thing, Klausner is not Drew Barrymore. For another, Sandler's aggressively stupid comedies (Happy Gilmore, Little Nicky, Big Daddy, the Waterboy) which make people laugh are not exactly high-brow or "edgy."

Jewish for her seems to exclude the best known Jews in Comedy: Sandler, Schneider, Seinfeld, Larry David ("Cubans, Jerry! Cubans!" or the Bubble Boy). For her, "Jew" seems to equal herself, Joy Behar (more a role model than Griffin it would seem) and weirdly, Tina Fey (very much not Jewish).

Rock Granite said...

Joy Behar is Calabrase Italian not Jewish and Tina Fey married as a virgin in her 20s a remarkably ugly, short, trollish beta/omega male.

As usual whiskey your essay mixes interesting analysis with borderline insanity and irrational femalephobic exaggeration.

ALL the professional White women I have ever known or know about are married to White beta type males. All of them would be creeped out and ashamed to be involved with any of the males you here define as alpha or bad boys.

Again I think you and other omega White guys flatter yourselves by elevating yourselves to beta status and then crying like sissies that White women don't want you because you are not an alpha but merely a beta.

You are neither. You are omega. You are the fat ugly girl with the bitter personality. You are not merely the pleasant Plan Jane nice girl.

Most White women want stable, compatible beta White men not alpha sociopaths or omega losers.

You can never acknowledge that because you and your fellow bitter White guys will never admit to your true omega status. Hence the dishonest and ego protecting identification as a poor put upon beta male.

Anonymous said...

Because it implies they are on that level of attractiveness, not the level they pencil themselves in, as the most beautiful, because they can sleep with Alpha A-holes.


precisely -- she's nowhere as attractive as she imagines, thus deludes herself with faux-alphas, then promotes herself to the 30 million others just like her

even her photo reeks of entitlement and vanity

instead of a lucrative and rewarding career as a kultural toxin, this walking lump of uselessness could only be cured by half-a-dozen summers at the front of the fireline, shovel in hand, followed by ten winters installing tire chains during storms in the foothills of some sierra pass

her total alienation from reality reminds me of obamama, who never had to get cold or muddy or exhausted (except after basketball) a day in his life .... how appropriate that these two now run this pathetic kuntry

ray

Samson said...

The "more gays and Jews thing" is so provocative that I almost have to believe HuffPo included it for shock value - not that I don't believe it's a bona fide quote.

How about this:

She writes: "There's nothing scary about Pam because there's no mystery

Classic projection, no? She thinks men should find "mystery" attractive.

DJ said...

Great post.

Not much more to add, except to ram home the obvious points.

Firstly, that in so far as she sneers at 'inferior' men she neatly debunks the myth of liberal egalitarianism. Indeed, she's not just openly bigoted against beta males, her eliminationist attitudes are more hard line than those of many KKK members. She doesn't just want us oppressed, she wants us gone.

It also hits on one of our hosts themes, namely the female love for hierarchy versus meritocracy. Again, Princess *really* doesn't like to have deal with the inferior.

The other thing is this: for all her pretensions to Grrrl Power, there's something remarkably passive about her writing.

She rages about not being able to land a hawt alpha stud and having to risk having inferiors talk to her, but what about her? What does it say about her that her life is such a mess?

No, after all those years of Grrrl Power, it turns out they're still really huge victims after all.

Whiskey said...

Granite, behave yourself or I will delete you as a tiresome troll.

I am either right or wrong, and will be based on facts/data, not status as George Clooney or George Costanza.

Arguments over how hot a guy is based on status is what women generally do. "He's Charlie Sheen! 9/11 Truth MUST be something! Tom Tancredo is old and ugly and no one famous likes him, he MUST be wrong!"

I'd love to be proved wrong, and welcome any facts and data to suggest I am. Trolling is not tolerated.

Truth(er) said...

Granite, all the professional women you know probably married beta males in their early 30's. What were they all doing before they got married?

Gx1080 said...

Blegh. Massive Grrrl Power Armor from a not-so-hot chick tells me of an army of orbiters and a lot of pump-and-dumps.

That kind of woman repulses me. Maybe I'm naive, but I value femineity on a woman.

Makes me wonder how many women get pumped-and-dumped not only for their lack of beauty, also for being total bitches.

Anonymous said...

Sad thing is this bitch will end up toturing a beta schlub and take all his money.

Every day that goes by the Taliban are looking very much like the good guys.

I can tell you this much, come world war or revolution there is no way this little black duck is going to sacrifice his arse for the good of Western women.

I've got my baccy, jerky, whiskey, guns and a rocking chair, I'm watching this disaster from my front porch.

Zeta said...

And the hits keep coming, Whiskey! Be honest, is "Klausner" one of your pseudonyms? Is she at least in your employ? Because everything you've said about how women "hate hate HATE" beta men is entirely confirmed here.

Of course, the biggest confirmation of all will be the resonance this book and its spinoffs (series) will enjoy amongst women. Now, Klausner is essentially a D-list actress and no great shakes herself, so that might hamper things a bit, but with the requisite publicity she's ensured at least a sleeper hit and, perhaps if she's lucky, the next Eat Pray Love.

ntk said...

Does anyone think that falling crime rates might have something to do with it? With the secular downward trend in crime in western countries over the past two decades or so, there's necessarily going to be fewer and fewer criminals and therefore the pool of exciting men necessarily becomes smaller, all else being equal.

Anonymous said...

Great to know women think the content of a man's character is in him wearing a suit and having refrigerator shoulders. Is no one else sick of this Mad Men fetish crap?

Anonymous said...

"Every day that goes by the Taliban are looking very much like the good guys."

You could make a great case that the Taliban are an extreme reaction to the First World's exportation of debauchery (i.e. feminism). The enemy turning my wife into a slut seems like pretty good grounds to pick up a Stinger missile to me,

David Collard said...

One of the fundamental problems is that these days women simply meet too many men, especially in big cities. Meeting a lot of men means that they inevitably meet some truly exceptionally masculine, exciting "alphas". These become their goal. Men might meet an equal number of women, some of whom will be exceptionally beautiful, but men seem to realise that they are out of reach. Perhaps the fact that the women have managed to sleep with one of these living Gods makes them thing they can one day be Mrs God. Women don't get that a man sleeping with them once or twice means nothing about his potential long-term interest in her.

Jesus Christ Supercop said...

"Every day that goes by the Taliban are looking very much like the good guys."

Yes, if only Americans realized that throwing acid on little girls to stop them from getting an education would solve all their problems with feminism.

I don't understand this MRA-like mentality where the only possible options are two more or less equally bad and stupid extremes.

Nine-of-Diamonds said...

"Tina Fey married as a virgin in her 20s a remarkably ugly, short, trollish beta/omega male."

And you know this how? As I mentioned on an earlier thread, there's some evidence (not proof, but evidence) that she not only was NOT a virgin, but even managed to contract an STD through her premarital "activities".

If you really spent some time with moderately attractive women you would know that OF COURSE they express horror that anyone would be attracted to PUA's & other "bad boys". And chide their friends for being "sluts" or getting involved with the wrong crowd. Then, they proceed to have sex with them anyway. Recognizing that your sexual preferences are considered wrong does not mean you won't act on them.

sestamibi said...

JC Supercop, you just don't understand that the whole notion of "equality" as we were fed by feminists in the 70s is simply a chimera. One group dominates the other. That is how it always has been, and always will be

I too don't want to live in a world where little girls are attacked with acid, but I also don't want to live in a world of "feminist jurisprudence" in which men can be imprisoned indefinitely on the whim of some bitch, or have to be on the hook for child support for kids not theirs.

If we don't go back to the time when women's choices were limited to (as Philip Longman put it) "be a nun, be a prostitute, or marry a man and have his children", we are finished as a society

JesusisLord said...

Well her book is #49000 on the Amazon list,so maybe not exactly up there with the Bible...but its #99 in the sexuality list. She is a Jew,a comedian,a bigoted asshole,she is getting older,..just a terrible waste of space.Women are certainly idiots!

Anonymous said...

With all the sex partners she has had over the years, she will never be able to bond to a man for an extended period of time, and she has a high percentage chance of having an incurable std. As far as some women wanting goons and thugs, these women were never suited for "nice" or decent men in the first place. Many of course pretend to be interested once their clock winds down, or they need financial support. Guys, they put out for every thug in their party days, but when they marry you, they will not give you that part of the marriage contract. -Norm

Anonymous said...

I wonder what a Western Taliban would entail, oh thats right, hard working men, stay at home mothers, childern, traditional culture, religion and apple pie....oh the horror of it all!

Nine-of-Diamonds said...

"Guys, they put out for every thug in their party days, but when they marry you, they will not give you that part of the marriage contract."

I recently started wondering if this was merely a stereotype of the Mens' Rights Movement and pickup artists. Not any more; this is, unfortunately, true. Time after time on "mainstream", non-MRA websites I have noticed the same thing. Many married men complain that they only get sex between once a month or maybe once every 3-4 months, with periods of abstinence 1 year or longer not unheard of. The wives almost unanimously admit that their sex drives have crashed, and complain about husbands "only wanting one thing". Even if they only ask for it twice a month. Many admit that they are even repelled by kisses & hugs. It would seem that for many women, all sex is an act of narcissism, with erotic pleasure for its own sake a secondary concern. It's exciting and fun when it helps them reel in an interesting new man whom they can show off to their friends. A boost to the ego that gives them feelings of self-worth. Eventually, as the thrill wears off and her girlfriends/family get used to having the male around, a crisis occurs. It can be resolved in one of several ways: belligerence towards the male (who often becomes more beta-ish to please her, thus earning more contempt), affairs, divorce, or letting oneself go w/respect to weight & appearance.

The saddest post of all that I read came from a man who knew a prostitute. She told him that her married customers, instead of having sex with her, simply paid her to hold them and cuddle for the entire session, like a married couple - that's how much their own wives loathed them.

Whiskey said...

The problem for women is that they are cut off from the wisdom and experience of older women, or don't value it if they do get access to it.

Older, wiser women know that keeping a raw, passionate sex life going year after year is like trying to ride across America in a bicycle in all weather: sleet, rain, snow, ice, and heat. You could do it, maybe if you were both gifted with stamina and very, very lucky. But why try?

That there are OTHER THINGS than just raw sex and passion, including family, children, husbands, lives, and so on. Particularly the pleasure of children.

I cannot tell you how remarkable it is that so many women do not even desire to have the pleasure of a child. And all that goes with it.

Older women are proof positive to younger ones: their beauty will fade, so too their bodies, but a good and loving man beats a hot Alpha who will move on when that happens. Which is probably why most young professional urban women find older women tiresome. A reminder of their own time-limited beauty. Which blossoms, flowers, and then quickly fades.

Burton said...

There's something of a crisis brewing in America. We've had half a century of sexual revolution -- two generations -- and quite a few people think that the systems sucks (to invert a pun). Marriage has been in self destruct mode for decades, while millions complain that online dating has not delivered the goods (remember the days when pulp science fiction told us computers would solve all dating problem?).

We now see womyn, who once told us that marriage was the central institution of oppression in patriarchal society, and that all heterosexual sex is raype, going on Oprah and demanding to know, "where have all the good men gone?!" Well, maybe if you had not chased them away, you'd be married.

OK, the system works well for Alpha guys (or their simulacra) like Hef', but more men are seeing the short end of the deal, as well as women.

Perhaps we will see a rethinking of the entire thing. Or maybe the system will disintegrate and something new will arise from the rubble.

Anonymous said...

"Winners, are of course, the women like Klausner, attractive but no great beauties, who can rack up sex with men they would never have been able to have before."

Huh? Fifteen years as the receptacle for alpha pump-and-dumps, then hit the wall and spend fifty years as a childless bitter cat lady, and this is "winning"? For some values of winning, I guess... but it sounds to me that, as always, the winners here are the most alpha men and the most beautiful women, with the beta males and the no-great-beauty females left by the wayside.

Jesus Christ Supercop said...

sestamibi: "JC Supercop, you just don't understand that the whole notion of "equality" as we were fed by feminists in the 70s is simply a chimera."

Because I don't like the Taliban, it means I don't understand that feminists are lying to people when they talk about equality?

What kind of idiotic dream logic is that?

"One group dominates the other. That is how it always has been, and always will be"

Correction: that's how you want it to be.

Anonymous: "wonder what a Western Taliban would entail, oh thats right, hard working men, stay at home mothers, childern, traditional culture, religion and apple pie....oh the horror of it all!"

A Western Taliban would entail exactly what you see in Afghanistan: a primitive and barbaric theocracy. Why not just move to Afghanistan right away?

finndistan said...

These ladettes ignored the 90+% of male population when they "wanted to have fun", "not ready for something serious",

Now that they "had their fun", "are ready for something serious", the 10% men they were effing in their sexual peak, are ignoring these ladettes for anything other than pumpndump.

We shall show no empathy.

Neither the 10% nor the 90%.

Anonymous said...

"A primitive and barbaric theocracy."

Check out which country has the worlds highest incarceration rates.

Check out which country doesn't require witnesses to bring criminal assualt charges (certainly aint Afganistan).

Check out which country legally descriminates by gender.

Check out whick country wages war on its neighbours to export its ideology.

Check out which counry has a 'debtors' prison.

Check out which country uses ideology to change civil contracts.

Go to Afganistan? I would but its just been occupied by 'that' country.

Whiskey said...

Afghanistan and places like Pakistan have been "exposed" in the parlance of NFL analysts. Typically in the NFL season a few teams will rack up easy wins early via a soft schedule, and then weaknesses will be "exposed" by quality opponents that have better offenses or defenses. Exposing the weakness of the previous front-runner.

Neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan have enough resources to deal with floods, droughts, or other natural disasters. Neither have a credible public health system, sewers, roads, basic hygiene and the requirements for it: clean running water, soap, indoor plumbing, refrigerated food, electricity, etc.

Neither has enough resources to create a stable, prosperous, technology driven society. They are mere flipsides to West Africa's violent matriarchy. Violent, chaotic, no rule of law, feud-driven, with Big Men and nothing in between.

As always, there is a sweet spot between male-female domination. One that tends to restrict Alpha males and most women's sexuality and freedom and absolute choice, in favor of a sexual marketplace that creates stability and deep investment by most men (and women) in society.

The West has always been characterized by women having more freedom than any other cultures, something Crusaders and 17th Century Turks both commented on. This is an advantage because child-rearing by independent women who have their own choices tends to be superior than the chaotic fend-for-themselves West African matriarchy model or the ultra-patriarchal harem domination model of Arabia/Central Asia.

John said...

"I can tell you this much, come world war or revolution there is no way this little black duck is going to sacrifice his arse for the good of Western women."

Amen. I used to be worried about the islamification of my country and, among other things, what it would mean for our women. Well, I've changed my mind. When the muslims call our women worthless whores they are right.

(Still not a big fan of islam though, but now that my instinct to defend women is gone I kind of lost my morale.)

Anonymous said...

"Tina Fey married as a virgin in her 20s a remarkably ugly, short, trollish beta/omega male."

And you know this how? As I mentioned on an earlier thread, there's some evidence (not proof, but evidence) that she not only was NOT a virgin, but even managed to contract an STD through her premarital "activities".



Went back and looked at your evidence.

"In fact, she may be a good example after all. An acquaintance of a PUA or poster on one of the PUA blogs said he'd had sex with her (link's been lost) and mentioned serious hygeine problems. This person was not her longtime partner, because he probably (a) would not read a Roissy-esque conservative blog and (b) would not post such embarrassing information about his lover. Of course it could be a lie by someone seeking fame, but men seem less concerned with the status of their "scores" than women. Especially PUA's."

So yeah that settles that. No one on a PUA blog would ever lie about banging or their friends banging a celebrity.

Nine-of-Diamonds said...

"So yeah that settles that. No one on a PUA blog would ever lie about banging or their friends banging a celebrity."

No, of course they would not lie.

I hereby christen thee "Straw Man Fallacy". Or should it be Miss Fey's Knickers (how else would you know?)

Because, you know, I MYSELF never said that this could be a lie, right? In the VERY SAME excerpt that Anonymous/Knickers just posted?Nice attention to detail.

Please do consider the name change...? Anonymous seems to be a common last name around here.

Thanks!

sestamibi said...

Supercop:

"Correction: that's how you want it to be."

It is what it is. Too bad you don't get it. If I have to choose (and I DO have to choose), I choose to be the "oppressor" rather than the oppressed.

Anonymous said...

Look, my point is not to defend Tina Fey's honor. My point is you are putting horrendously too much weight on secondhand internet hearsay which rightly carries near zero heft. Acknowledging that it could be a lie while proclaiming PUA blog posters have no reason to lie doesn't make you appreciably less credulous.

Kendama said...

@ Anonymous 4:26 PM

So, all that and you think Islamic theocracy would be an improvement?

I oppose such a thing not out of concern for women, but out of fear that I will lose all my rights and any chance of rectifying unjust situations.

Like all anti-Americans, you are motivated by little more than revenge -- you don't care what replaces the US government, just so long as you can stick it to them and to the women you so dislike.

It's difficult to take anyone seriously who barks about how evil America is, then turns around and embraces bloody-handed tyrannies as the "good guys," whether those tyrannies are communist or theocratic.

The enemy of your enemy is not your ally.

Perhaps you'd respond with something along the lines of "You already lost all your rights, you damned brainwashed sheep! The Feds and the feminazis are castrating you as we speak! Amerika is the Great Satan, the destroyer of all human rights everywhere!"

If so, I direct you to the paragraph that begins with "It's difficult..."

Kendama said...

By the way, my post is referring to the comment that references America's high incarceration rate.

Nine-of-Diamonds said...

"while proclaiming PUA blog posters have no reason to lie"

The Strawman and Mrs. Fey, once again. Is reading comprehension too white/heteronormative/sexist, or something? :)

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Nine-of-Diamonds said...

"while proclaiming PUA blog posters have no reason to lie"

Cite, please.

Anonymous said...

Feminism works! Now women can behave just like the most misbehaving of men.

What a tragedy.

white and nerdy said...

I wrote some comments about this on my own blog.

While I share the skepticism about the Taliban/Sharia being better than what we have now, really it can't get much worse. If you notice the language Klausner used, it seems like the only reason she didn't call for concentration camps for beta men was that would be too obvious. In that sense the Taliban/Sharia is the superior option.

Anonymous said...

So there you have it fellas. Work hard, learn game, make yourself a "superior" man, and you too can sleep with a used up skank! How cool is that?

Kendama said...

So there you have it fellas. Work hard, learn game, make yourself a "superior" man, and you too can sleep with a used up skank! How cool is that?

I was under the impression that learning Game made you more desirable to "non used-up" women.

no mo uro said...

"It's the teenage boys I'm worried about. They're not going to college in numbers. They're going to be angry -- depending on who's coming back from the war."

Fight Club, anyone?

Joseph said...

In today's society, being a pickup artist is not, evolutionarily, selected for. The pickup artists are currently competing for the opportunity to beget the piles of shredded tissue in an abortionist's dumpster.

This could cause a decline in @sshole genes.

The men who are disproportionately fathering the next generation either tend to be religious fanatics or donors to sperm banks.

Anonymous said...

"Sad thing is this bitch will end up toturing a beta schlub and take all his money."

Yes, as Whiskey says, this kind of woman is the winner of the sexual revolution. She can eat her cake and have it too. After some alpha hopping, she will be able to marry some hapless beta.

Women prettier than Ms. Klausner are losers, as Whiskey explains. Women less pretty than Ms. Klausner are losers too, because they are not able to get a commitment that their women like them weere able to achieve in former generations.

But women like Ms. Klausner are winners as well as alpha men. Beta men are losers.

Roughneck Jase said...

Excellent article, Whiskey. That article gives me more reasons to continue embracing the philosophies of MGTOW and boycott all the women of the Anglosphere/Western world for the women of Latin America, Eastern Europe, and East/South-East Asia.

May I remind you that its not just us white beta guys in the Anglosphere/Western world that are hated by Anglosphere/Western women. "Beta" males from different racial, religious and ethnic backgrounds are in the same position as their white brothers in the Anglosphere/Western world and they are geeting the same treatment as white "beta" males are getting from women in the Anglosphere/Western world.

Anonymous said...

Would this be a good time to post the classic Misandry Bubble article?

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

Anonymous said...

The actions/personalities of women today are proof that people don't choose to be gay, because if I could, I would chose to be gay in a heartbeat to avoid the thuggish behavior of women, the lack of femininity, the poor decision making and the avoiding of all accountability for their actions. Alas, women look good and men do not.

Anonymous said...

I bet the many, many men that have banged her are having a hearty laugh over her bizarre rantings.

Chicks like that will forever be disposable.

I imagine any Alpha with money would get as far away from her as they can.

Anonymous said...

Julie Klausner is not even close to being cute. She looks good in the photo at the top of this post, but that photo must have been air-brushed because she looks far worse in other photos I have seen via a simply google image search.

It almost seems like the most average-looking women are the ones who despise the beta males the most. Those women are not attractive enough to lock down a hot alpha male and yet they refuse to settle for a beta male in their league in terms of attractiveness.

Average-looking women like her are often total sluts and give it away practically for free to the alpha males when they are in their most attractive and fertile years. However, if she ever plans on getting married one day, she is going to have to adopt more realistic standards and settle for a beta male.

I feel sorry for the foolish chump that ends up with this used-up skank when she's 39 years old and her shelf life has nearly expired!

Anonymous said...

This slut (Julie Klausner) will keep on looking for a man to maintain her. Unfortunately for her, her value to any man is closer to zero because she is older than 30. No man in his right mind will commit to an old whore. So men will allow her to keep on supporting herself while she grows older until she dies alone and childless. In the meantime, she can keep the cat.

Anonymous said...

"If we don't go back to the time when women's choices were limited to (as Philip Longman put it) "be a nun, be a prostitute, or marry a man and have his children", we are finished as a society"

Since they have chosen to be prostitutes, they should not hope to marry a man and have children.

Anonymous said...

"The saddest post of all that I read came from a man who knew a prostitute. She told him that her married customers, instead of having sex with her, simply paid her to hold them and cuddle for the entire session, like a married couple - that's how much their own wives loathed them."

I'm sorry for those men. If they divorce their selfish wives, the courts will give these harpies his children, his house and his salary.

Anonymous said...

"I cannot tell you how remarkable it is that so many women do not even desire to have the pleasure of a child. And all that goes with it."

Women do, once they realize there is no one to take care for them when they get older.

Anonymous said...

"I bet the many, many men that have banged her are having a hearty laugh over her bizarre rantings.

Chicks like that will forever be disposable.

I imagine any Alpha with money would get as far away from her as they can."

Absolutely right! I just want to add that men will continue to get as far away from her as they can, after banging her. And she will keep on yearning for their affections.

Knurd said...

I wonder if this woman is secretly attracted to nerds but has had very poor success with nerds. I would bet money she'd die before she'd admit something like that because perhaps social status was her first love (read: god). All the indiscriminate venom directed towards nerds sounds too much like a soup of cognitive dissonance, rejection, and sexual tension.

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Anonymous said...

Nerdy Asian and Indian guys are in a similar category to nerdy white guys.